Ep. 1 Furries & Arcane?!?

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She um for an event she let him borrow a jersey that was hers, like a Mexican jersey for soccer and she hasn't gotten it back and it's been more than four years. Ew. Well, wait, I think she got it in junior year of high school. But they were, I don't know what their relationship was like, but they seemed like on friendly terms. I don't know. We hung out and like we had like a friendship group during junior year and like she's just, I remember she posted like a while ago. Um, she was like, so I guess I'm just never getting that jersey back and I was like Yikes. Damn. Yeah, that's good. I like, I was like Like she, I remember she mentioned it back in senior year. I was like, you need to ask him for it back cuz that's just, I would have asked her for my shit back. She's like, no. I was like, no, but you should and then when I saw that post or like on her story like the Instagram though she was like, I'm just never getting it back. I was like, yeah. You got to figure out who and like who you can give shit to and expect to get it back cuz like some people will just not. They'll be like, oh, yeah, I'll bring it next week. And then like they they're trying to get you to forget about it. So then they can just keep it and I know a couple people that do this shit and I have lost some things in life. You've mentioned. Like I I've decided to just give up on it at this point. That's fair. With me though I think it's like if something holds more personal value like something like clothing or like if it's like meaningful to you Then you should fight for your right to get it back Cuz they were still talking cuz like the thing is like he kind of ghosted her between Junior and senior year like this summer So that's why they weren't like talking anymore and I remember like I wasn't I Sort of was talking to him, but not really. No, I wasn't talking to him senior year and I remember I was like Do you need me to ask for you? Cuz I will do that cuz it's fucking like it's insane that you're not gonna get your shirt back And she's like Just don't do it anymore I was like I feel so defeated for you Like I would have run up to his house and like no you're giving her shit back Like don't be a weirdo and try to sniff it every night and think of her just like Not that not that he does that but if he did I Hope oh He looks like he would do that. Oh And I and I'll say that again with my full chest Well, okay Well, I understand where she's coming from because I hate conflict and I hate like having to Ask for shit back. Yeah, but like was it a nice Jersey? It sounded like it hold it held like sentimental value She it was like her only Mexican Jersey and it was really nice quality and and that white man took it. Yeah. Oh Okay, the thing is like she let she let him borrow it for an event for a dress-down in my school We could dress down out of the school uniform and he just never gave it back to him So I hate them Well, no, no, I hate men. Oh, oh period there's no comma No, but if and or whatever the fuck oh, it's I hate men period what about um, I hate that man specifically Okay, never met him. Don't want to meet him Hope he shits his pants right now. Oh, wherever he is. Oh Hope he diarrhea splurts in that fucking pan. Oh, you're Oh It's actually okay, can I can we take this opportunity to explain? Yeah. Okay. So for everybody I'll have you know, yeah, I could be laughter I'll have you know, I Have always it's when you're on it when you're chronically online Myself, of course and and you see means about being a wolf being an alpha being alpha male Beta yeah when you've been exposed to Wattpad sadly. Yeah, let's not talk. Let's not bring that up All right But when you've been exposed to this your whole life You're gonna joke about it and I think a lot of people like you understand it because you've experienced it too I've seen online but there's people that have not grown up online and Don't know what an alpha male is or if they do they probably learned it in a peace like where they the idea of an alpha male was basically like broken apart basically proven as faulty and And so they look at you and they say you think you're an alpha male and I I think yeah Yeah, I have people outside. Oh pieces like acts do like well No, no, because usually the people that look at me funny. They don't even question it they don't want to talk to me because they think well that I'm some furry like And I have furries are bad people No, I actually fuck heavy with furries because I used to be best friends with a furry and oh, but where did that friendship go? Oh Okay, so okay we could talk about this honestly, I mean I'll try not to like explain too long. But yeah, I grew up with this person I for a good chunk of time. We weren't like friends and then middle school. We started being friends and We had a trio. It was me my best friend currently like we've been best friends since middle school and then This other person so I'm not going to name Because I still respect them and I still like hold a deep care for them because I think they genuinely are like good people it's just a lot of things happened during high school and They definitely have trauma. I will say a lot of the people in my life. I Have yeah some issues, right? This person had like pretty deep-rooted like family issues and security issues And the thing is we were raised in The reason we grew up together was because we were in a language program where I learned Chinese my whole life and this Program we stayed with the same class the whole time. Yeah, like there was about like 30 of us probably okay, we those 30 people we like all grew up together with and And There were bullies and that and that 30 people and so they bullied her flush them and I guess they just like never so The reason why they bullied her was because when we were growing up in elementary school, they would act like a cat like well They I think okay before you continue on let me just add my little green assault As long as you can grow out of certain phases by a certain point by high school You should no longer be role-playing as a cat Okay Yeah, yeah, the thing with them is like the reason I think this goes to the majority of furries they feel Incredibly like tied to animals whether it be a specific animal or just animals in general Should we should we act you know who? No Yes We can't talk about them on this fucking podcast but um, they have feel the need You know, you're crazy you're crazy Okay, but um, I'm so sorry for people that are wearing headphones right now. Like I I'm screaming I wouldn't I wouldn't have the audio effects. We're gonna have to see yeah We might have to edit it cuz like I'm screaming so so damn much yeah First I have like this deep tie and a lot of the time when Straight people or society just in general they like patriarchal Like American or like westernized society when we see something that we don't know much about or we see as foreign We immediately hate it and we fear it. Well, yeah So like when free Became a thing people were like, is it a sex thing and and they tied sexes second to it I'm not saying that some furries are not sexual about it. Yes, cuz they definitely fucking are weird Those are the weirdos, but I'm talking about like the furries that just like to create personas like to Essentially see like this incorporation of what a human and an animal would look like Like adopt animal characteristics, it's Personifying animals. Yeah. Yeah, so like they just they just have like deep connection with animals and so I Didn't you know those bullies don't care. Yeah, they they'll see it as something corrupt and so they bullied her in elementary school for it and She eventually grew out of it and she you know, she was like, I know I'm not a fucking cat Yeah, I understand. We became like really good friends middle school Up until like junior year Her and my best friend, you know, we were still a trio But my my best friend was best friends with her until like kindergarten like I'm the one that joined the trio essentially Okay And my best friend was like I can't take it anymore Like it had just gotten to the point where like the trauma from the bullying from the family life from just a bunch of other things kind of shifted their personality and They had a lot of bad habits and there was they told us a lot of things that we were just not ready for as like 16 like like 13 to 16, you know, oh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like you My best my best friend just like could not take it Yeah, she was like I'm done. Like I've been friends with her this whole time like Mia It's been even worse, you know, like you only got to experience like middle school, but I it's been since then I'm like, okay. Well You you know, you don't have to be friends with her But I I still kind of want to you know, keep connections with them and my best friend was like, okay So I still kind of like hung out with them, but you know, they got into other Like friend groups and kind of drifted away. And so I still like follow them on Instagram. We just kind of like Okay, drifted away, okay drifted apart from each other But yeah, that was my I mean there's more furry stuff that I can tell you But I Still just like what a preface like you can be friends with furries and like no, I agree with that. Oh, yeah Yeah, I'm talking. I'm talking to like the haters, right? the furry haters They're half a furry, half a furry hater, half a furry But I think there's just there's obviously gonna be bad people of each kind of group Culture that is created and Furries is definitely a prime example of that. Like we you and I have met some well Met but seen and interacted with I've met. Oh Yeah. Yeah Well, I don't have I don't interact with them directly, but I mean, yeah Yeah, yeah We've met some questionable furries, but okay and that all ties back to my discussion of what why we call I Wanted to tell people like I don't I'm not a furry but at the same time I have a personal experience with furries I respect them. Oh, I thought you were gonna talk about the night at eels where we started talking about Oh, no. Okay, we can talk about that though. Um, but I think you know, yeah Okay, so yeah, yeah, it's not when I talk about when I say you're an alpha you're a beta you're an Omega It's not in a furry sense. No. Yeah, not at all. We don't think we're animals. We don't think we're wolves We don't embody, you know what we might howl a little bit. We might work. We might yeah But I have always seen it as like a satirical thing where I'm like, oh fuck like he's such an alpha like Energy, yes, it's literally energy. And so when we were in the summer program We came back to eels one random night after tutoring and I sat down in the common room and I was like At least let's start giving people titles. I Was like, I'm an alpha obviously you're an alpha, right? And then I quite literally gave everybody in opie a title, right? Mind you no men got alpha except for Sebby Webby, but Sebby Webby didn't want to be an alpha. It was like no, I'm Omega didn't want to be Omega. No, he started saying like Sigma like he started saying like random He started speaking gibberish essentially cuz he was like making fun of it. Yeah, he was like, no, I want to be beta wait up But a little bit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, okay. Well fine You don't have to be alpha. So now I call him Sigma lick my balls And he loves it. I think I was thinking of Alejandro. You mentioned to me you want to give Oh I Wanted to give all a fucking alpha because he intimidated the fuck out of me like coming into Opie And pretty much up until this point like recently. Yeah, but now Definitely Omega definitely. Yes, genuinely Omega. I called all the men Omega or beta Yes Because of the energy they give off if I actually talk to them sat down with them had a conversation with them I probably give them a different title. I don't know But it's overall just like the energy and other gives Omega. I've figured that out, but he's a lot more Confident in himself, so I didn't know whether or not to give him alpha beta it's kind of like Beta it's like you're you're in the middle, but sometimes it's like you're it's a slap in the face. Yeah. Well like You know who I think Oh, wait, I'm trying to see if I have a pattern I can the person who wears stuff like this That person I believe is we called him beta. Did we not? I'm gonna need like a I'm gonna need like a Down Whatever that was um Okay, cuz what the internet defines as oh you're an alpha you're a beta you're Sigma oh Oh, yeah, yeah, we gave him I gave him beta because Um He's very quiet sometimes, and he doesn't really talk, but he's very sassy and so like Oh sassy Sassy man apocalypse sassy man apocalypse we need to talk about that one. I'm fucking it's it's getting to me, dude. I hate it But yeah, so like he kind of Him and then Yeah We're gonna get sued Them it's like because I also became friends with them after the program so like I You know I'm obviously not gonna give men alpha title cuz like yeah, fuck them right But they didn't quite give me Omega. I'd say now they give me more Omega I'd say more yeah, then yeah, yeah He's definitely Omega now like there's there's no way yeah, it's like I don't know beta the way that the internet describes beta and Omega and alpha is different from how I Describe it right like it's quite literally specific to like our mentality right now all right I'd say that because like people try to give them titles, and I'm like nah Yeah, like I don't agree with you, and they're like what why do you get to choose? I'm like cuz I'm also We Have that privilege that's literally like you don't want to see women succeed like shit, right? That's what I'm saying hate men Okay, guys. I don't hate men. I Have a strong distaste for them. Okay for a majority of them Yeah, except Henry Cavill who I need and I want to see wait Who's that I have a conversation with Henry Cavill? I don't know actors. Yeah, you Estimate how badly I am NOT in tune with pop okay, but he's like one of these quite literally one of the most Sexy isn't popular people only I probably know oh wait, but what is he in Superman? Oh? And he's from that one show that everybody when he went like with white hair and everybody like oh I talked to I talked to Joby about it, and she was like yeah the Witcher She was like I only find him sexy when he looks like this And I was like oh he looks like an old man there. Oh Nothing wrong with that The long nasty hair is not See, I don't think it's nasty. No. I don't mind people with long hair. It just looks really I'm kept in that one picture Yeah, I mean it's because it's supposed to be like medieval like Times and he's like a knight or something. I never watched the Witcher It just I I can't perceive him and I can't have my perception changed of him because I I Am so deeply enamored with him But like if something were to change or his personality of or how I see him changed You know this is okay. I'm realizing something about myself. I love the thought of somebody I don't actually love them And this that's not where there's some That's so shallow though like I would I'm picturing him as like my ideal man and it and I I quite literally do not want to consume any other media of him because I'm scared that my perception is gonna be changed Okay, well the thing there is that's attractive That's attract like you're just being attractive to this idea It's not like it'd be very different if I was actually in a relationship with him Yeah, and then you're only please God. Just let me win. I don't think you'd want to be called like a post Pedophile yeah, he's not that much older. How old is he like it's 40 Right come on man. We're not even in our 20s Anna. I I'm close. I'm getting there What was that one song Lana made I was so mature when I was I was so grown up when I was 15 But now I feel like a no. It's Mitzki now. I feel like a tall child I Don't you ever say it's just when you got trauma and your brain ages at the like Literally like you're eight and you're like What do you think you got like what do you think was that your age was when you first like realized you had Consciousness outside of like your voice like in your head Well, there's two there's two spectrums Are you saying conscious like when I was first able to think like as a young in or when I was first like exposed to the real world I Made it and like the first time you were able to think inside your head like like that You know how like we think you're gonna have a conscious. Yeah, okay, I'd say probably Five Really? Yeah, cuz I have memories from when I was five. Okay, so wherever my memory starts is where I think I started thinking heavens a stonkin, you know, I think my my different memory of like where I realized I was conscious is um, I Can't remember what grade it was, but it was not before first grade. I think maybe pre-kindergarten or kindergarten What's the grade before first grade? Kindergarten. Oh, so maybe it was kidding. Anyway It was in like kindergarten and like I remember, you know lap times, right so we nap time. Yeah nap time. Yeah Yeah so we had like a nap time but like we had to sit in a table and like just go to sleep put your head down and I remember I was like I Can't wait for nap time. I like put my head down and when I woke up I had drool coming out My face had like a sleep mark and like I was like, what am I? I like I had woken up and my class was in the middle classic My teacher was just like you're just gonna sleep it out. I don't mind and I was like, I'm a W teacher man You needed that sleep. I don't know. I don't know. I was so tired. But um, I remember that's when I first hit me I was like, I'm not in my not with the rest of my class I feel very embarrassed and I think that's the memory. That's the first time I'm like it hit me like oh, I'm like a person I'm a person. Oh Okay. Yeah, I see kind of what you mean though, cuz I I have memories of me just existing Yeah and that's when I think that kind of started when I started seeing myself having an influence or a place in Society or like within the group of people that I was around Probably like Probably like seven Cuz that was like a second grade. I started doing like my class. I think it's just a a Conversation of whether or not you're you remember anything cuz some people like There's one person I know who she is just being raised She had a lot of family issues, but she genuinely does not remember anything before like the age of like eight and so like she It's not necessarily that her consciousness started at eight But it's because like you also have and not necessarily traumatic things Maybe but I don't think stick with you for the rest of your life Yeah, like you're it's gonna take a place in your brain. And so that's just kind of things that you remember So I wouldn't I give a ballpark of like five to seven because I have memories from that time that I remember But like if you were to tell me like what did you do for the 4th of July when you were five? I'd be like, um, well Yeah, cuz you think like oh, you know if I this 4th of July I remember we were Program went out down to Rogers and we watched fireworks. Yeah, but ask me anything other than that. I'm like Yeah Um, I would say for me personally I feel like for me there are certain memories that are like I know are scattered in my young childhood But I'm starting to forget memories like in middle school You know, I can't like all of that is like leaving out of you I I know there's some distinct memories where I'll be like I remember like that one night where my father was passed out drunk in the car and my mom we were going to taxi back to home and We had recently got like a new Pokemon game black and white version 2 black version 2 and my brother started playing like that It's such a distinct Okay, I can't forget that but if you were to ask me like, oh Do you remember what your teacher looks like from certain like this grade or like what connection to you? I'd be like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah Yeah, I think it also just depends on the relevance or like the importance to you obviously and then like Now we're not that we're talking about memories Uh, how about the memory we made yesterday with the finishing of arcane arcane season? Yeah, oh shit, yeah we got um, I don't know what you define as an argument cuz we didn't really argue But like I started feeling myself getting I Would say a little a little debate as well. It was a debate We definitely had opinions on it and yeah, we we talked about it in like pretty pretty thorough yesterday But we were like we got to keep some of this for tomorrow's pod Well, we did we did go over what we thought was Vi and powder slash Jinx well now Jinx Yeah, it's relationship. So how about we just bring that up a little bit and then we can go on to the next relationship I'll still Cohen. Oh, yeah, that's the one we got to talk about the one. Yeah. Um, yeah, we talked yesterday we were talking about Cuz to me I was playing a head. Oh, yeah. Yeah, go watch it go on son of a bitch Oh watch it. You you want some good stuff to watch you go watch you go open netflix.edu Get on that website and you watch arcane and you tell me how you feel about it when you come back It's pretty good down that down in the comments below down in the comments below Go scroll down to the comments below If we went live if we were like twitch stream They'd be like, please please Go back to the kitchen man Oh Yeah, okay yesterday we were we finished I okay mind you I watched arcane like a year ago Yeah, so like I this is kind of refreshing my brain with it but We watched it like a week ago We started it though. And then we just finished we watched the last three episodes yesterday and Bitch I Ended up I ended up and I the thing is Elise hadn't watched it before so I Was trying to get her. Yeah, watch it. Well her fucking HD self and she kept talking during the fucking well Okay, the thing is like I'm usually like somebody who just watches and like stays quiet unless I have that question because I'm confused But like when I watched up with you, I love making jokes in it Yeah, because I know like you'll like you'll hear whatever the fuck I'll say you'll be like Yeah, I love doing that but I was scared that you're gonna miss something and so like I would turn to me and say something I'd be like I just ignore her but I heard it and I giggled in my head, but I was like I Had a basic basic understanding of the plot or like their relationships like The relationship between Vi and like powder sauce drinks was like a very popular one the way that Vi was trying to holla at Caitlyn was very popular that no one's seen or she's like your hot cupcake. So what it'll be Men or women people ate that up on tik-tok and I was like, I literally do not care like she's hot I get it but like The thing is arcane. I've never seen it before of like they give you women they give you pussy girls like cunt and they show masculine women and the best of ways and I genuinely like like when we saw The the counselors mom Oh, I know you turn to me and said I'm creamy in my pants right now Because I'm not gonna lie me too man, I get so like and they were so good at drawing like drawing the characters to be buff hot woman literally I'm in it I'm in it so Dominant alpha like I can't I can't even talk about her also start, you know Yeah, but not like the characters on there were insane and seeing by and Caitlyn like For one not a heterosexual relationship. We're yeah, the dynamics are totally off and there's like a this power dynamic seeing a Lesbian couple not even like a couple yet, but like the formation of it. Yeah, I guess yeah the fucking chemistry between them whoa, and then like Combating that with like how people perceived The counselor and Jace of like their relationship because their relationship was toxic Like you it wasn't okay. Well, that's what I think what it wasn't that toxic, but there was definitely manipulation Yeah, like I would say it's not toxic in the sense of where you might think like a manipulator Oh, well, well a man manipulator with yeah Quote-unquote a naive woman. Yeah, it was the opposite is the opposite which is kind of pussy girls they bought it was because like Okay, but first seeing a woman and then seeing a woman of color and power just overall just like changing the time and there was No, that's there's no villain. Oh my god They made it so that you and you empathize sympathize with literally everybody like right like every fucking character there wasn't like a distinct villain and so seeing her and Her being the one to be like, I know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm not some like little girl you can just like Try and fuck with and then him being like the kind of cuz he was naive He thought that like just by using magic he could just solve all of their problems But at the same time he didn't see like the political governmental corruption within the city. Yeah Well, let's be for real. Oh, he had on his fucking mind with hot push I When you're in such a position of power and you have like you're and my my big thing is like I hated how like chase I Hated personality and I hate what this character does. Yeah Obviously you getting manipulated and it's good to me. He doesn't know how to like what he wants to do. Mm-hmm But then like we start off with him initially like sticking with Victor and having him sort of because sort of like this that was like his original first supporter Like who genuinely believed in him and wanted to like support him what his ideals were and as you see as like the show goes on he literally Literally when Victor was like getting fucking sick when Victor coughed up blood Mind you and like was bleeding from his nose. He was like, okay. I'll see you later. I guess I Okay, but to be honest that part was very discreet because Victor they it was him it was Jason Victor and then The top the cop. What's the name? The chief head chief? Yeah, I don't know his name, but I know who you're talking about The girl's name is Mel. I'd look it up. That's what I was looking up Well, but the one that got with the ginger that's all we need nothing wrong with Marcus Marcus, okay Marcus. Okay, so they were all there. Yeah, and then Victor kind of coughs up blood, but they don't really show that like Jay sees it. Well, he's bleeding from his nose as well And oh, yeah, he sees that. Yeah And and just even like even sure your wife's like for example Mia people can't see you're sick, right? Mm-hmm, but Okay Jace like since the beginning of Jace and Victor's relationship Jace has always seen a physical like condition that Victor's obviously struggling with any and there's like multiple points like remember when he When Victor gets diagnosed that he's like obviously going to eat dine as they Jace has a conversation with what's her name again? No, well, he's like it must have been the sewer shit that he was exposed to as a child and he's like That that specific sentence right there already lets us know that one Victor had spoken to him about it about this like sort of like environment that he was in to He has known from like at some point of earlier their relationship because that's been like many of years between the gap of like Yeah, yeah so that man has already understood from the very beginning that there were some shit going on and he still objectively decided to go by Mel Mel and be like, okay, babe. Well, I just want to feel with I just that specific scene where he admits that he's died Mel says to him. Oh, but wouldn't don't shouldn't you be with him right now? He's like No, I just want to be with here because you make me feel safe. Oh Yeah, I was like there's what is wrong like he was the one person He was literally the only person outside of male who's trying to manipulate him to getting what the fuck she wanted He was the one true person at his side. That was like I Believe in you I'm going to risk whatever I have completed like succeeded with my life in order to help you out because I believe we could make something here and he's like Well, my best friend is dying. That's not like I don't really care. I'm a go. I'm okay. I'm a good boob No, literally I the it gave me whiplash the first time I watched it cuz I was like He's quite literally dying and then you're gonna talk about how how he's dying to your girlfriend He just had sex with and mind you if you haven't watched arcane They there's a sex scene where Jace and Mel are having yeah and then during it's like going back and forth between his point of view and Victor's and Victor's literally coughing up blood and he's like Getting he's trying to Like you need to watch the scene, but he's trying to essentially make this machine save his life We're like try and revive him essentially and he's like getting his ass beat by this by this like magic or whatever. Yeah, and Mind you like I think it goes to show like his Jesus Where should I say his? What's the word I Think I don't you try to say his like where his like attention and priorities Yeah Priorities have and like Indefinitely shifted because in the beginning their friendship was like years old at this point Like but now that he's talking to Mel now that he becomes a counselor because of Mel now that he's listening to what Mel's telling Him to do like you can see that Jace is such an impressionable Impressionable bitch because like he has like three different people telling him what to do and each time like after they tell him what to Do he goes and does something irrational and says like oh we need to do this because this person said it but he won't say Like oh this person told me to do this So I'm gonna do it. All right, like he has no backbone essentially And so he just kind of does whatever people tell him to and that's in the process confusing him But it's like you had an initial Reason why you started hex tech and that was with Victor So I think you should be talking to Victor and asking him what you think you should do That's yeah, that person should have been his strongest like relationship was and you solely see like that Just deteriorates as it goes on. Yeah, but talking about this is deteriorating What do you think Victor felt when that little girlfriend of his died Do you remember her name I don't remember her name mmm sky sky sky Dude, okay. I was talking to Elise about this last night and I was like, I And now that I've thought about it. I don't think one is sadder than the other but like he didn't know that she loved him this whole time and Like I found that to be so painful But at the same time even if he had known that she had loved him this whole time And then she did die like that would have also been incredibly painful Regardless the actual the actual situation is that he's trying to in this process trying to revive himself trying to make himself Not he's trying to live essentially because he's gonna he knows he's gonna die soon And so he's trying to save himself with this magic and she comes in Something fucking goes wrong with the magic. He the whole process is like you well You have to describe what happens. Is that like she sees Victor going through immense pain and she believes like it's like She doesn't know that he's doing this to her Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, so she doesn't know anything about this magic either though, yeah, so like She he before that before she comes in has inscribed like ruins symbols on his body and on to the metal contraption that's holding his leg and So that's what the magic is going to do. It goes through his body and it those ruins tell them yet the magic what to do That's what the magic is going to do it goes through his body and it those ruins tell them yet the magic what to do That's my assumption based off of it because that's the only difference between them It's like one of them is incredibly sick with ruins on them And then the other one is normal and so she likely said tries to come in and help him She grabs him as the magic is like sucking him in or whatever like taking over his body The magic then directs itself to her and literally incinerates her and she burns the ashes And as she's dying, she's like And he's staring her in the eyes Like and he can't do anything because the magic's also got a hold on him so he's just standing there watching his assistant die and That's not even the most painful part of it. It's like after she dies. He starts groveling. He's like, oh my god Oh my god, he starts crying but then he picks up her notebook and sees all the notes and all you know the plans that she had and it's basically like a I've looked up to you this whole time. I admire you so much and at this point Victor is My assumption is that he has never felt So loved in his life. He's gotten glimpses of love or affection or admiration from Jace from Heimerdinger from Maybe that scientist. Yeah, I'm gonna say that one But he has always been crippled and he is now faced with an illness in which He's going to die and his best friend isn't even there so he he needs that kind of love and so I think Being deprived of this love and then seeing that the only person that was that loved you this entire time That was genuinely like by your side Who wanted to work with you who wanted to do things with you died because of you? Like that I can't even oh my god like I You know, you don't think about characters like this like I started out like damn Victor's sexy. He's hot. He's smart. Right and Then and then they hit you with a fucking brick like our case is such a good show where it's like you feel These things so deeply and like when I found out she When I watched that scene, I was like, I got a burp. Yeah When I watched that scene, I I genuinely like I don't know if I cried or not, but I was like, oh my god Victor and he like cried and he sat there and I like what that that scene where he like throws out her ashes and like he's like, yeah, yeah, he contemplates going over with her and and I Think they're just trying to do it for like parallel reasons because Jace Victor is the one that saved Jace from killing himself Like I don't think he would have Cuz okay, the thing is when Victor is dumping her ashes and he's thinking about just jumping Yeah, I think part of it. I think part of it is the guilt that he feels from her dying and he misses her But it wasn't ever that strong of a relationship. We're like, that's my soulmate like I'm gonna kill myself. Yeah, I Yeah, and so that was kind of different in comparison to Jace where Jace Little spoiled brat was like I can't go to school anymore. I'm gonna kill myself and then oh, yeah It's completely different. But yeah Okay, here this is my thing I wish for her character for Skye's character or like that sort of like connection because the only time you get to really And she comes maybe like three or four more times for like under a fucking two minutes. She gets no exposure Like obviously she's a side character meant to just be used to develop Victor, of course, but How the relationship been? Developed in a bit more. I think I would have felt more of connection to her because I like when that happened I was just like, oh my god, I wish I would have felt more of connection to her A bit more I think I would have felt more of connection to her because I like when that happened I was just like that's kind of a fucked way to go. Yeah, and I felt more I like connect like I I'm sorry. I'm like burping too. All right. Uh, I felt more like I Guess I sympathized more with Victor and his situation rather than her dying, which is really messed up to say But I is very irrelevant. The reason that it like hit me so hard is because It's almost like you are Victor and this point of view of like yeah you barely see her and like you don't see you see Victor with Jace all the fucking time because that's then where his time is Mostly within these past few years. It's like he's with Jace working on it. You don't It's almost like the middle child syndrome of like you're there and you're loved and like your family loves you But you're not acknowledged and so like when you're not acknowledged and but you still hold that love for them It's like if the middle child died and then the family's like oh fuck that like that was my child and I yeah, like this is such a bad analogy, but like What type of love this kind of feels like I'm yeah They're kind of put off to the side. But once something horrifically bad happens to them. It's just like You then begin to regret that you didn't acknowledge them. And I think that's part of the reason is Victor was like Fuck I didn't know about this and like I can't believe that I just I was so consumed by this work and with I Was so consumed with Jace and all these things going on. I didn't even see her Yeah, and so that's the type of shit that like makes me so upset It's like when a character goes unnoticed but they did so much and they wanted to do so much and they loved you so hard like and then they end up fucking dying and it's like oh Yeah, oh my god like I also think Can we talk about the fact that people ship Jace and Victor together? Yeah Ridiculous ridiculous. So I'll say this as somebody who's never watched arcane. It was just exposed to the shipping My understanding from what I saw on tik-tok people were like, oh Victor and Jace like I want them to be together and I was always like I Guess they're attractive guys like like the like ourselves and like the animation was like they they're both kind of attractive. I was like Okay, I guess I get it. Like what's the connection though? Yeah, but it was never expanding on cuz I didn't want to go to arcane cuz I didn't want to spoil myself. Yeah And now that I've watched arcane I can like safely say I Fucking hate the idea of them even being together. Yeah, Jace is not worth Victor at all. No, there is like Victor's s tier Jace is like D tier. I was thinking C tier. I actually forgot this It's s ABC ABC D D Okay, oh no, there's s2 I Swear to God, there's a e s. Oh Yeah, but like if we're at the yeah Well, I feel like I'm a D. I don't like him. Yeah, but yeah, I give him a seat cuz he does do some room Indeemable shit, but it's only after like It's like the whole shit has gone through ruins and then like the clip ending like I don't know Oh, that's gonna be so I can't wait for season two. I can't wait for season two, too I want to see what they do with Victor care Victor's character And powder school jinx. Yeah You forgot to talk about jinx. It's so cool. I know the main point. Oh, yeah Okay Okay, are we gonna go how long are we gonna go for um, I think we just do like okay, I'm sorry audience I'm sorry I Think we could do like What time is it now I can't see 336 We could do 10 more minutes and then like 15 minutes just packing up and getting it. Yeah, okay, so Anyway back to our cane Typical in jinx slash powder I fucking hated it man. I fucking I okay. Here's the thing. I have no real strong opinions I know I'm saying I hate it, but I really have no strong opinions outside of Like what He This is so complicated say because our cane is putting in such a way that you can't say it's clearly one-sided or not because There's they show you both images and how like both things go down I'm like, I Hate the fact that so-called is a bad person and like Here's here's where I think everything goes wrong because Okay, that's actually a bus. Let's go back to the first episode Do they ever explain why Victor and because they do explain but I forgot what why do Vander and Victor? I mean, I'm Victor so cold like start hating each other So, okay, so they were kind of brothers they were literally like by and by and James Yeah, I don't think they're like blood related but they are have such a strong bond and then Silko They're still growing up the under city. There's you know, just like classism and Silko's like fuck this. Yeah, and he's like, let's revolt and essentially start a war essentially Yeah, and vendors like no you can't like we shouldn't do that. That's not gonna do anything, right? And they kind of come out with this and I think Silko tries to take the first step towards war and Vander has to like Shut him down. Yeah, and there's that whole scene of where they're like wrestling each other in the fucking more. Yeah, I I love Silko's character like okay. The reason I love Silko character is because it shows that he takes loyalty so incredibly seriously and then like But that scene where he's like getting low-key murdered by Vander and like he talks about how the water began to like the Yeah, I'm like, it's just such a crazy ass like scene and it's I don't know how to describe it but um and just kind of it gave more perspective on Vander cuz like I I loved a bit or don't get me wrong, but like He killed his best friend well attempt to attempted to right but he kind of killed It's the whole personality thing of like he killed powder now. It's Jinx He killed whoever Silko was before and now oh, yeah Yeah, don't go like now so go it's literally parallel to it Oh, yeah and so I I found that so interesting and like Silko then becomes a horrible character like I could get that and I think it's disgusting the things that he does but right you Like I said, there is no villains you have to sympathize with all of them and like he's obviously the villain but He then again is trying to create a better life for what he for his under city Yeah, he's nation But at the same time he has shimmer and so he's murdering people and turning them into monsters via that and so like that I kind of struggle with that side and then and trying to Like take out the upper city essentially and then also his relationship Jinx where it's like That's where we're gonna get it Go ahead my friend I'm so like this is the thing because there's two sides of like how I view their relationship There's one side of me that is happy Let me explain cuz I did not want I'm letting you cook Yeah Here's my thing. I'm happy because even though by By obviously gets fucking murked and goes into jail for God's like she gets incarcerated for fucking years My thing is I'm happy that although suit like Silko in that moment could have easily just killed her Yeah But instead he takes her under her his wing and does like he does it seems that despite the way he like has this weird Fucking relationship with her that he ultimately at the end of the day He still killed for cares for her like a father would for a daughter and even like actually he dies with like because of her He ends up telling her like don't like don't always forget like I'll love you. Don't blame yourself like I love you for who you are and part of me is happy because it's like It's it's sort of help Jinx with her whole little Personality thing obviously she ends up living as jinx, which is not the not the outcome yeah, people would have wanted but It does help her like solidify who she wants to be finally like let her live Accepting who she's not accepting but sort of pushing through everything and now becoming her own person So so cool. I in some degree to some degree. I like I appreciated their relationship, but Would make their server late their relationship so fucking weird is the way he treats her and this the way they don't have step boundaries and physical step boundaries Emotional the fucking okay boundaries in general the first time I watched it with my best friend. Oh shit. She was like We kind of talked about it and my first perception was like I love silico and jinx his relationship because it's literally father-daughter Like I hadn't thought about it to the degree that we have yeah, and so I was like I Was watching the scenes, and I I started getting weirded out because I was like why are they so? Physical yeah to them as individual characters. It's not weird because they only see each other as father-daughter but it it contributes to the grooming factor of like He I don't even know if this is considered grooming or not, but like I would wait. He's not sexual grooming Yeah It's definitely he's trying to mold her because she's so vulnerable and so young he's trying to mold her into This I think to an extent he allows her to be who she wants to be but at the same time He's trying to get her to One he's trying to completely separate her from thigh current from her old life So that's a little troubling it's like you can try and do that with trauma But you still at some point have to face it and he's also using her as a tactical weapon of like you I Need you to carry out these deeds because yeah, I have a motive and you're gonna fit that motive so I Appreciate the sense of like father-daughter relationship. Yes. I appreciate that he wants her to be who she has now become right and the The fact that he just overall Puts her above anything else because in the end he is he is given an ulterior An ultimate what the fuck's it called an ultimatum. Oh, okay Let me cook let's go an ultimatum where he has to give up Jinx or the deal is off Right, and he when he's dying. He said I never I was never gonna give you away Cry because You could tell throughout this entire series that he always cared about her every time her name was brought up every time she was Yeah, as a jinx. He's like fuck you. That's my daughter and I That's something that by in comparison to never she was never like Don't talk about my sister like that kind of thing. I mean a little bit but not a great Yeah, that's so co-chaired and you see that's why that's why to tie this back to the whole jinx by relationship That's where I that's what I found fault with that I never does truly stand with her sister and the way so-called us, of course The whole like fucking bat shit should she does with killing and murdering? Obviously, I understand why by might not like wanna Truly stand by herself, but she doesn't associate with her in the way that so-called us where he accepts all of her We're wise like I just want the perfect Little sister back. Well, not pretty. I want powder back. I want powder back instead of understanding that powder It's jinx. Yeah, and jinx is who she is now like you have to accept the whole part. It's not just that part Yeah, I I also think Silco and her bond Silco and jinx bonded on similar trauma, right because their dynamics are so similar like He's abandoned by Vander. She's abandoned by bye-bye. And so he's not yeah, not intentionally, but they both see it as like we've both been abandoned by the people we cared for and loved and Now it's just now it's just again together. Oh, yeah, so they bonded over that and so I think It has something it's almost of a symbol of like rebirth because they've both gone Underwater thing. Yeah, if you were to like and visualize it like they're going down two roads And it meets in the middle of like they both have experienced severe trauma witnessing death going like being abandoned or being hurt by the person you love and then meeting at this crossroad of like now we're here together and We just have each other I feel like the bond is almost stronger than like what he had with Vander or what she might have had with Vi if they if they Cuz you gotta remember like Vander and Silco were like up until their 20s Maybe 30s with each other right Vi and jinx were like Like 10 and 13 or something like they powder's whole life So she gets so like they didn't have much time Vi was worried about raising her Their fucking parents died like there's just so many different factors, so it's different in that aspect, but like I think it has a similar Like path or course it takes well They've been I think the situation's supposed to like parallel with each other like that's supposed to be this and that's why I fucking love It cuz like yeah, oh, it's so good, and then I think the only fault. I really find in Silco was like With jinx specifically not like in general, but with with jinx is like he makes her Create this weapon like he keeps pushing her to create this weapon that she ultimately you can tell like she is distressed when he brings it up and There's also like an underlying trust issue that she has with him Because she's sitting when she's like stabbing him in the face with that fucking thing She's like you're a liar, and she she loves using the word like liar like she doesn't trust anybody to tell her the truth and so I Think when she begins to say like you're a liar. You're a liar, then that's where the relationship kind of shifts and just like You wouldn't have never expected for it to go from that to like her killing him and him being sympathetic and like I love you It was such whiplash. I was like oh Honestly like when that moment happened. I was expecting to him to like Say to her You've always been a jinx from the start to say something like hurtful that would push her to the edge and rather than and rather Than be like greeted with that. He tells he come he embraces her Yeah I think that's what she ultimately sticks with jinx because although he could assist in a hurtful, and then she goes to jinx It would yeah, yeah, yeah, but embracing her and embracing how like fucked up. She is he she said It's okay to do to be who you are and who she was is The jinx and that was I feel like that's what she ultimately decides with silko because at that very moment She is greeted with like acceptance in some form rather than by who's been saying no no don't do it You're fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it like reinforces her behavior because she's getting Like Permission essentially yeah from approval like yeah up until this point of being with you I've always loved you based off of things the fucked up things that you've done and how Not based off of but like I accepted who you were yeah like unconditioned love, but not really Four plus four a uh-huh um let's see uh Okay, well do we want to end it off with anything? Well team we talked about Lots of stuff man. We talked about furries a Bit of arcane a little bit of weather or the weather a little bit of war Yeah Yeah, hey, that's what this fucking That was so messy like I listen to official podcasts, and they're like okay. We're never gonna talk about this Okay, now. We're gonna shift to this That's not gonna happen for this podcast. Oh, yeah, there's there's no organization. Oh, yeah, so don't expect any Like we get if you sound like 15 views and it progressively just goes Hey, what can I say what can I say? What can I say? Oh my god? We got to go watch pookie Pookie Pookie tick tock pookie nation pookie nation anyways time for dinner Yeah, we had lunch before this so it's we we had lunch at 1 and now it's 350 because it took us half an hour It's just that okay Well, it's like you half an hour. I was just playing my phone Women it's I'm top alpha. Yeah, literally Sigma Sigma. Yeah, I'm not that type of stem. I'm stars and constellations I'm Not my I don't think I'm taking some classes actually I'm thinking So I can do a bug feed quiz on you to tell you what your psych psychological kind of thing and that's them Okay, oh, yeah, you're taking sex. Yeah, that's them bro. Come on. Oh, yeah Oh, I'm thinking a 201 with job next semester per at 9 in the morning I know I was gonna be like I'm just gonna have to abandon Joby on this one But she was like, I was like I might as well go with the one I know at least yeah, yeah I have to do Chinese at 9 for the rest of the fucking year. So I'm excited for that He can't wait to see you around You're can we have breakfast in the morning man? Do you not eat breakfast? I do but not this semester Let's talk about next semester. Oh, well, we can look at our classes after this if you want for a bit Okay, well coordinate yeah, okay team we're gonna go do that. Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks for coming guys Wait before you pause, thank you for coming to alpha's podcast. Have a good day. Yeah When when are we gonna release this next next episode? Next episode. Oh next Saturday. Yeah, we're doing this every Saturday. Yeah. Um, love you guys people who say they Fresh it'll wait. Okay. All right. I started doing like generic youtuber Stay safe guys and see you next time. There's like a music outro. No, we gotta be like mark apart. Bye. Bye