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like learning on the internet and like assisting in studio and just shooting like church like doing being as close to the craft as I could and I learned that way so it wasn't easy but I think considering it's something that I didn't study and it's not like an environment where like I grew up in a space where people really encourage like artistic like development and things like that I felt like it was a bit of like not luck but like it just was like meant to be so even