The speaker is talking to viewers about their thoughts on the recent race. They discuss the performance of Red Bull, McLaren, and Mercedes. They mention the lackluster middle pack, McLaren's development issues, and Mercedes' need for a plan B. They speculate on whether Mercedes should continue with their current concept or start from scratch. They also mention Mercedes' arrogance and lack of admission of their problems.
Hey! How are we all? Long time no see. Exactly. Good evening everybody. Kevin's straightening in with the comments this evening. How are we all? Guys, if you drop a question in the comments, don't be put off if we happen to miss it. If we happen to be talking about something else, keep putting the comment back in and we'll eventually pick it up as we go through. Oh dear, there's a McCarran supporter. How are you feeling? I've been asking you questions all day.
This is going to be your opportunity to put questions across and we'll try and answer them as best as we can. Try and give you a bit of a discussion platform. So yeah, drop your questions in and see what we can discuss. Let's get going then. Let's go for it. Go on mate, if you want to kick off. Natalie's question. So Natalie Grisdale has asked, what did you think? Do you want to hit that after, right? I thought it was a bit effective with the Red Bulls, if I'm honest.
Yeah, their pace has looked strong since qualifying. I thought seeing Alonso come back up was absolutely brilliant. Some great driving from him. Some clean driving. It just felt, I think it's lacklustre in the middle. I expected the middle of the pack to be a bit closer. I don't know about you, mate. Yeah, so watching the race, I expected, from previous seasons, we expected to see the midfield separate a little bit. That didn't really seem to happen though, did it? It almost seemed like one massive DRS train to start with.
Yeah. And then he did start to peter off a little bit. But yeah, as you say, I think we fully expected Red Bull were going to stomp off. However, I will caveat, I wasn't expecting them to bump off quite as much as they did. No, I mean, Max, he was never in trouble, was he? Not even when he tried to send the idea ship up. No. You know. I mean, I did send you a cheeky little message saying, I'm rubbing my hands together, could this be the day? But no, it just wasn't to be.
I think, shall we touch on the carring? There's loads of comments about the carring, let's be honest about it. I warned about this the other day on one of my videos where I said they're in real danger. Unfortunately, I've proven up to it. They've got their development wrong. They've come out and said that. They've said that they're on the back foot, but I don't think anyone envisaged them being as bad as they were, you know. Yeah, I sent you a message, didn't I? With Oscar and his Windows loading with his phone.
I mean, that was just, oh. I mean, go on. I was just going to add to that. Straight off the bat, right, I think we all openly admitted that from what McLaren had said, or what Zac had said the other day, we all knew it was going to go a little bit peak-tongue this season. However, did we expect it to go quite so bad as it did today? Yeah. I don't think we did. Piastri, you know, having to retire the car, and then poor Lando, you know, poor Lando, literally.
How many pit stops did you do in the end, six or seven? I lost car after five, if I'm honest. I got to five and gave up. You know, I mean, oh. I mean, this was obviously part of it. Do you remember a few years back when Lewis was driving the car and they did that steering wheel change? It was, like, completely, you could see in the rules, like, in, without the other. And then I'm kind of expecting that.
And then I saw this, like, you know. I mean, maybe it was, like, the Google advertising. Maybe it's the switchboards that are causing problems. Like, it could be beauty or something. I don't know. But honestly, it was, oh, it's painful. It's painful. I mean. Jessica just dropped in the comments, I don't want to talk about McLaren. However, Jessica, I feel like you just walked in at the wrong time there. Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of people who do want to talk about McLaren.
I'll stop a minute, you know. Chris has said about Zac Brown being there. We talked about this, about, you know, Zac's a great commercial manager, but he's not an F1 manager at all. Yeah. I mean, how many times have we touched on, Tara, the times that we've spoken to each other, how many times have we both said to each other, look, Zac has done an amazing job with that theme in terms of advertising and bringing it to where it needs to be.
However, I just feel now is the point where he just needs to step aside now. Like you said, concentrate on the rest, or the other side of the business, you know, the formulary side of it, whatever it may be. They need to move on now, because this is only going backwards now. Yeah. I mean, I say, keeping him from a commercial point of view, absolutely brilliant, but he needs someone who can run the team, just let him get on with it.
And I think I said before, I'm not sure McLaren have got the expertise to dig themselves out of the hole they're currently in, if I'm honest. You know, it's going to be interesting, that's for sure. I'm just, while Matt's disappeared, I'm going to have a look at some of these. Did I see Opcon in there? And a small coffee bit then. Did you? I saw an Opcon one in there somewhere. Opcon. Oh. I don't even know where to start with Opcon.
Has he just won the prize for the most penalties? I mean, who can get a penalty for speeding in the pit lane on your way to a penalty, which you then don't get the penalty right, to then come out and get a penalty for a penalty? It's ridiculous. It was like a… What did he finish on in the end? Was it 20 seconds? I think he got five. I think he got near 30. I mean, they retired him in the end.
Was it? They did serve the first penalty yesterday. They actually got it wrong. They started work on it before the five seconds was up, which is why you then got a penalty for that one as well. So he got a penalty for that one because they did it in like four point whatever, and then he got a penalty for speeding on his way to serve that one as well. It was just ridiculous, you know. It was just bonkers, you know.
There you are, 35 seconds total penalty for… That was like Max's lead. The equivalent to Max's lead, wasn't it? In penalties. Shocking. Absolutely shocking. And bear in mind, it's not 35 seconds, is it? Because you've got to add in the pit lane entry and exit into those as well because you have to serve it and hit. So it wasn't 35. It was more like two minutes by the time he'd finished with it, hence why they retired him, weren't it? I mean, I said to you during the race, even, you know, they retired him during the end, but even Lando, you know, at that point of the race, even with Lando, they were just using it for testing.
Yeah, just data gathering, weren't they? It was just data gathering. That's all it was. It was literally pointless being out there. I mean, he finished. He finished two laps behind everyone else, the front runner, should we say. Yeah, I mean, at one point, you thought he was battling with Alonso and Lewis, didn't you, down there? Natalie has put, what are both of your thoughts on Mercedes? So will smoothly or swiftly move on to Mercedes? Didn't I say P4, P5 would be a good result for you? You did.
Pretty sure I did, you know? You did. They're at a crossroads, aren't they? I mean, I don't know how you feel about that, but I feel they're at a crossroads. They've either got to go with it in terms of their development this season or they're going to have to make a call. Well, I'm going to stop you right there because I feel you may have been a little bit busy in the past hour and you may have missed what Toto has said.
So in case nobody has missed or nobody has heard what Toto has said, Toto has basically now admitted it's not when they want to be, they're not happy with the performance of the car and he has now put in place for his team to build a plan B. The point is, how long has that plan B taken him? Well, the plan would be, I mean, he hasn't given any time frames away. No, of course not. You'd be looking at around about silver sometime.
But then that's, the problem you've now got is, this is what we talked about with the plan B. Originally, we said that if you now go along this route, you're writing off the season because you've got to funnel your development into a new concept, which you can't bring to this car unless they've done some clever designs on that W14, which we don't know, to be honest. Yeah, if you can adapt that, I don't know, I mean, there's many more clever engineers than what I can see, but I'm not sure, I mean, our side pods are probably the only team who hasn't got it, that's the reality.
I just think with the Mercedes, I think they've got the concept, but they went with the zero side pods and realised it didn't work. This season they went for a, shall we call it a 0.5% zero side pod, because it's a little bit more than a zero side pod, isn't it, this year? And as I said last night, it's in terms of now, do you chase this path, do you continue down this path and then write off the season completely, or do what Toto said, do you scrap it, start again, but then like you said, you've already lost half of the season.
And then by the time you develop it, Red Bull are going to further develop, Aston are going to further develop, hopefully Ferrari won't be doing Ferrari things by this point. I mean, by this point, you're looking at, yes, 4th, 5th in the constructors and you're out of it completely. But if you're aiming to win the constructors, does it matter if you finish 4th, 5th or 2nd or 3rd? And that's my thing on it. And I think I saw Nathalie's question, our Mercedes got it so wrong.
Arrogance would be what I would say, if I'm being honest. I think that they've gone down a rabbit hole in every design and they stayed to it and that's it. Yeah, they haven't actually sort of admitted they've got a problem because it's too late. Yeah. And it's taken until this point now for Toyota to actually say we have a problem. Yeah. But I am being funny, you've had the whole of the 2022 season with the W13.
Okay, development on that car did get a lot better towards the end of the season they brought it in, which is part of me thinking, the head and the heart situation, isn't it? Could they stick with the W14 and could they produce something out of that car? But then you look at how far Max was ahead today and you just think it's more than what it was last season. Yeah, definitely. So let's scroll through some of these then, what have we got? Let's go back up to some of these to be fair because there's been quite a few in there.
Design cost caps going to be an issue for Mercedes. Definitely, that's what we're saying here. You run the risk of just losing yourself for the rest of the season. I mean, that's what pretty much Aston Martin did last year. Okay, the car got better. Yeah. I'm sorry, my caveat, just quickly just to stop you there, my caveat to that is going to be it's a tricky situation because E-Toto are now going to look at what happened to Red Bull and the fine that they got and the punishment, shall we say, that they got and is he going to look at that and go it's worth the risk? A massive team like Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari, for example, it's a slap on the wrist, isn't it? Seven million and a reduction of wind tunnel time.
It's a slap on the wrist. Yeah. No, definitely. I mean, it's going to be a no-no. I mean, Ferrari, did I say a couple of Ferrari words at all? I don't even know where to start. Honestly. Do you know what, Roy? I honestly wasn't expecting Ferrari to be as far back as they was. No. Yeah, literally from lap two, it looked like a sinking ship. It really did. It looked like a sinking ship. And to finish that far behind, you know, they had a good car last year.
Yeah. They had a good car last year and it was fast in a straight line. But again, I mean, I mean, engine problems on race one. I mean, if they can't fix that engine which they swapped before the race started with Charles's car, they've effectively just used both engines in like race one. I mean, that's just criminal. You know, it's just... I mean, but their strategy again, just, you know, all that thought we had yesterday, yeah, we saved the extra softs.
Max did more laps on his softs than they did on their hards. You know, it was never a strategy call, was it, to be honest. It was never going to be about a tyre... Bahrain was never going to be a strategy call. It's only about undercut and overcut. That's it. You know, nothing else on that side. Just a quick note to everyone that is currently joining us. This is a new way of doing a little podcast where you guys ask us the questions.
Fire the questions in. We'll try and do our best to discuss them, try and get you involved a little bit. We will, yeah. Trying to keep our tabs on them. If you do put a question in, by the way, and we don't mention it, it's because obviously we might be talking about some answers. Just keep putting it in and we'll try and get to as many as we possibly can. Yeah, definitely. I mean, Chris has just hit the nail on the head there.
He's just put, Ferrari will always stay Ferrari. Which is, it's becoming like a sad reality at the moment, isn't it, with Ferrari? It's a meme in itself, isn't it? And that stands for a team of Ferrari's calibre, isn't it? I had high hopes for Ferrari this year, especially with Fred going in. You know, he's very bullish. He's not going to be any sort of walkover in any stretch of the imagination. I think he did that when he came out and said, look, we don't have a number one driver until it comes to that point.
I think that was his stance on the team as well, or his stamp on the team, should we say. So, but, and the question I've got for you, or the question I've got for everyone else is, why does it always seem to be Charles? Do you know what I mean? It always seems to be Charles O'Kane in this sort of position. It's always, I think James is right, I think James is right. He's shocked how slow they were, definitely.
They were just so off the pace and nothing they could do. They had no idea how to counteract it, you could tell. There was no strategy there to do it. There was no, no attempt to even do it. They had the upper hand in terms of tyres, allegedly, but at no point did they use it. They left Carlos as a complete sitting duck for, you know, Fernando. And to be honest, pretty much, he's probably lucky that Lewis didn't get him as well.
You know, if I'm honest. I was quite disappointed Lewis didn't get him. I thought with, I think about 10 laps to go, that Lewis sort of coming behind him. I thought he would have got him, to be honest. Lewis was in a bit of a, in a bit of a DRF train behind signs, weren't he? But it just never seemed to materialise. It just, he seemed to get close. And then, is that, I mean, from last year, so for example, we'll go back, just briefly go back to Mercedes.
Last year, the W13 was absolutely awful when it came to one lap pace in terms of qualifying. But race pace seemed to be on it. Do you know what I mean? It seemed to be a better day for them. Now it seems to be an even. Yeah. I mean, like I say, they weren't going to get it. I saw, Seymour has called up, F1 Dan, gets me that Ferrari will have to say, I'll get back to you.
Yeah. I mean, that's a really joke, isn't it? Ferrari, I'll get back to you. Yeah, Dan, like I've just said, it just seems to be constantly Ferrari doing Ferrari things at the moment. Yeah, definitely. I saw someone mention Williams in there. 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