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Randy and Brandon discuss their backgrounds in combat sports, including wrestling, MMA, and boxing. They talk about the common boxing fracture and how it affects fighters' hands. They mention Floyd Mayweather's hand injuries and his defensive skills. How's it going everyone? My name is Randy Estrada. I'm one of Jarvis' close friends from the boxing gym and just boxing in general, just fights. I'm going to make a note for you. What's your name or the teacher's name? Miss Emmy. Miss Emmy. Look, Miss Emmy, we did the video audio. If you want to see the video audio, there's on the SD card. Delete it. Well, there was video evidence of us doing it, but there was no such thing as audio. So, right now we're doing a podcast just normally. There's no video, no audio. Yeah, just straight audio, you know. But yeah, as he said before, that's Brandon. We're going to talk about the boxing fracture. It's a pretty common injury in boxing that a lot of people end up sustaining, but luckily for us, we haven't had it. It's pretty rare on that end. So, Brandon, we're both fighters from different backgrounds. Could you tell me a little bit about yourself? Yeah, I started in wrestling a long, long time ago as a little chap. I started in wrestling and I went through the club system in town, in Fremont. And usually, the one thing is that once you grew up wrestling, you don't ever leave it. You don't ever leave it. You have those tendencies to wrestle all the time. For sure. There's a lot of wrestlers that are still wrestling well into their 70s, honestly. It's such a long-term sport, as I call it. Yeah, as long as you're doing good on your recovery time and your health, you'll do great. You don't need much time for wrestling, but take your weekends that you're not competing and sit down. Just relax. Yeah. So, Brandon, as you stated before, you wrestled, but what other styles do you do? What's your fighting style? You know, I started out in MMA when I first started, ever, ever started in combat. The reason why I started in MMA is because I watched UFC. That was the only thing on during the pandemic. UFC, All Elite Wrestling, and the WWE. That was the only thing on, on TV. And as a 17-year-old pubescent fucking teenager, sorry about my language, but the one thing is, UFC was on every Saturday, every freaking Saturday. There's fights going on in the Apex, fights going on in freaking Abu Dhabi, Fight Island. There was everywhere. So, the reason why I started in MMA is I'm like, man, I have a background in wrestling, and then I have a, I don't have a background in boxing, but you can throw one-twos, but my one-twos were all over the freaking place. So, I started out in MMA, and here's the thing. With my background, I was trained out of a freaking garage when I first started in MMA. I started in 2020, yeah, in 2020. But here's the background. I went to college, too. So, but here's the thing. There's a such thing as, I freaking hate school. I'd rather make money and fight people to make money. So, that's how I was like, you know, on my first night out in college, I was like, I want to MMA fighter. And I was legit, I mean, I was at a gym, and I was like literally out there, just training in Norfolk, Nebraska, Northeast Community College, go Hawks, drop out. So, we, so when I started, I was at a garage, and then we had my first fight, and it was like non-existent. Promotion don't exist no more. And it ended up that my first fight, when I was learning about kickboxing and just striking, I head kicked my first opponent and knocked him out. Nice, bro. Yeah, that was, that went viral, didn't it? Yeah, it did. Just a 255 pound man just knocking out another guy at a heavyweight. And the state commission and like the promoters were like, I've never seen that ever from a heavyweight. And that, they thought this kid, me, would have been like a really good fighter in the heavyweight division. But here's the problem though, I have parents that love boxing. And the one thing is that, you know, you can't really argue about, argue with your parents because one, you live with them. Two, boxing is probably one of the oldest sports that don't depend next to wrestling. Right. So I started boxing after MMA. And the one thing is that when I was boxing, when I started boxing, I started boxing because I was overweight in front of my boss one day. And I was like, hey, bro, we got, it's wraps, bro. We got to change this up real quick, you know. And I was like, all right, let's go boxing. So I started boxing March of 2023. That's when I started boxing. That's when the journey started to begin. Oh yeah, for sure. I started off doing actually Kenpo as a kid. And I ended up moving up to Muay Thai when I was like, I want to say 12. And then I just do straight MMA. So I do a little bit of everything. Started wrestling in high school. You know, there's the age gap level where you start wrestling in high school. That's the crazy part is like, you know, you got like kids that have been wrestling all their lives. And they've been going to these like wrestling clubs that their parents pay and stuff, you know. So yeah, that's a little bit of a skill issue. But you're wrestling in college. It's crazy how those like four years of high school wrestling and the development and all that stuff goes by. Yeah. I actually ended up like losing heartbreak around like freshman, sophomore year, made state junior year and ended up tearing my knee my senior year. Yeah, I remember that. I was actually predicted to win. I was ranked number one in Nebraska. Yeah, during the COVID time too. Because like no one knew what was going on. Like here was the thing for me. Basically, we're the same age and everything. But basically, when COVID happened, I lost my varsity spot because of better talent. But, you know, I really thought I really was about to go through and actually transfer out of my high school, my alma mater. Right. But COVID happened. I couldn't tour any schools or nothing. That's what happened. But the reason why I do boxing and MMA, no one can take my fucking spot. Sorry for my language again. But no one can take my spot. No one can take a fucking punch. That's sorry for my language. It's part of my French, you know. But no one can take a freaking punch. No one can't take a knee to the face when someone shoots in. You know, you can't take my spot because I have more weaponry than you do. Yeah. Maybe you got a little like Glock 9 or something. But nothing can't be a punch or a knee to the face. Yeah, 100 percent. And people don't like that. Oh, no. No one likes being, well, people, I personally don't mind getting hit. But in reality, no one likes getting hit. Oh, yeah. No one does. Like I tolerate it because I love my sport. But same time, you know. Same time once they're like, hey, bro, I heard you've been fighting, you know. And I'm like, yeah, dude, I've been fighting, you know. So what you want, dude? No. Like this is like all the high school friends. Like, yeah, man, I can beat you in a fight. But, hey, man, I have more weaponry, more stamina, more precision, accuracy in punches. Right. So have you ever, we're just going to get right into the meat and potatoes. Yeah, we got done with our monologue, so we got to get going. Let's get into the meat and potatoes of what we're really here for. So have you ever had a boxing fracture? No, I have not. I feel like it would happen somewhere down the line. I feel like it would happen somewhere down the line in this career. Yeah, 100%. So the boxing fracture is actually the fracture of the fifth metacarpal, which is the pinky. Pinky, yep. But that's like the general diagnosis, but it's really the ring and pinky that really, you know, fracture when it happens. So like when it happens, they put you in like a little splint that only covers those two fingers, right? And you're in that splint for like six weeks. It's like miserable. Like you can't really move your hand. You can move like your middle, your pointer, and your thumb. That's about it because the other two are all secured and everything. The therapy for it is like you just can only move your last two fingers and just try to move them until they get the strength back. Yeah, until they get the motion. Because I've never had a boxing fracture, but like around the boxing, I think boxing fractures in our gym is a little different. It depends on how much you fight. It depends on how much you fight. It's just depending how much models you got in your arms and the fist. Because the metacarpals, your fourth and fifth, I feel like it depends on how you punch and depends how, I feel like it's from like the blocking and then like the parrying of it. If you look at Floyd Mayweather from 2006, when he became, he's not pretty boy no more. He was money now. When he was money, money Mayweather, Mayweather was making some money obviously. So the reason why he was like jabbing, moving away and he was like super slick on his feet is because he had boxing fractures. He shattered his hand. And that's why he became so good defensively. Sell the highest gate, won, beat the most world champions, was getting money because of his freaking defense. Because Floyd freaking Mayweather was just a freaking animal. The reason why is because he had basically no hands. No hands just because of that boxing fracture he had. He was just, and he never healed his. Oh no, he never did. He never wanted to go through with the fixation of it. Like if you ever get the chance to see his hands now, they're like, his right, I believe it's his right hand. It might be his left hand. Because he was an orthodox fighter. Yeah, it's one of his hands regardless. His pinky and his ring finger knuckle are actually bigger than his first two. Just the repeated punches, all that stuff. And when it fractured, he just didn't want to fix it. He wanted to get right back in camp because he was in it for the money. Not really like securing anything for himself, you know. You know, he's 250, you know, obviously. Yeah. Maybe in the talks of greatest box for all times for an argument. I'll put him on my Mount Rushmore for greatest boxers. Here's the thing though, when Floyd was on the Pacquiao fight, that's where you saw where he was hurting from that boxing fracture. Because he was basically pressuring Pacquiao all the freaking time. Yeah. All the time. Because Pacquiao was a pressurizer. Yeah. And that's why Floyd was just really slick. Once he got to the end of his career, not like the stupid, like, I'm boxing Japan, I'm boxing this mobster. No, just like when he was boxing like for real for titles, for money, and all that stuff. Well, he's still boxing for money, but it's just like for titles. All for those titles. He was just really, really slick on his feet when he, because boxing fractures. 100%. Speaking of boxing fracture, or speaking of Pac, he got a boxing fracture during that fight, and he actually had to get surgery for his. Yeah, when he was coming into that fight, I remember he was, at the post fight conference, he was saying that, you know, they inject him with anti-inflammatories, whatever they're called. Yeah. So, I believe that, from that fight, where he was like just really, really inflamed from the shoulder and probably from the hand because of that fracture. Because that fracture can come up to that shoulder, I'm believing. Yeah, it can go up to the shoulder, but the most damage goes to mid-forearm. Yeah. It just depends on how that fluid builds up, right? Yeah. Because I haven't seen a boxing fracture, I haven't felt one yet, hopefully not too soon. Yeah, I hope you don't feel that. Yeah, that's what I believe about what happened to Pacquiao back then in like 2014 or 2015, I forgot when that freaking mega fight was. $100 to pay for that freaking pay for you. You had to go to the freaking bar. You had a family of five, you had to go watch Pacquiao and Mayweather fight because this is like one of the biggest things. It's just that the fight happened because it's a big money fight and for Pacquiao, one and two pound for pound in the same weight class. And you just see that those $100 of the paper that the bar bought really didn't turn out where it was supposed to be because Mayweather and Pacquiao had boxing fractures. Right. But Mayweather had more boxing fractures than Pacquiao. 100%. It's funny, you went to the bar to watch it and I actually was at a family fun center watching it. Oh, man. Yeah, all I had to do was buy a pizza to get in pretty much. It's the struggles, now you make money and stuff, now you can buy these fights. Or just train them, you know, nothing too illegal. Yeah. Oh, man. Let's see, so have you ever encountered anyone at all that's had them that you know of in your personal life? How did they go about it if they did? Not really. I haven't heard the boxing coaches know what I'm talking about because I've probably never had it or maybe the boxers at the gym. But I have encountered tennis elbow one time. Oh, yeah, I got that. I don't even freaking play tennis and it happened because I was playing too much golf. Oh, see, I got mine from getting in an arm bar and I didn't want to tap. I thought I was going to go the right way to get out and the dude rolled the other way trying to secure my elbow and that's how I ended up getting it. Yeah, and I played baseball as a kid too so that could be why I got tennis elbow. But the one thing is that when I got tennis elbow I was playing like rounds of golf like every weekend and I still do. It doesn't hurt my elbow no more because I do like the rehab and stuff. But you can't really ignore those fractures in your arms and stuff or just like the pain in those forearms. Yeah, 100%. It's like everything really comes down to your technique and how you rehab. Yeah, you can't really throw those punches regularly. You can throw them straight as you can but once the straight comes in and you're throwing those punches, you know you can get locked up too. You can throw like an overhand and then you get locked up. It can happen like that. And like the boxing fracture, it's as simple as throwing your punch and not turning because if they go to step out and you accidentally hit them with those last two then now you've got to sit out for six weeks. You can't really do much. You can't even lift weights on it. Yeah, that's the one thing that could be really, really terrible about it is just that you can't really do nothing because that's your arm. You basically use it every day. Yeah, and then like I did a little bit of research on like what realistically does it do affecting your life and it says like that's one of the smallest injuries that can go a long way. It gives you time off. Like you know you stab your toe. Your jaw is like okay and you like break your toe. Your jaw is like all right. What about it? You can still walk but you get that boxing fracture. The doctors don't even really want you to drive. They're like bullshit. I'm sorry but still I've probably had a boxing fracture. I don't even know probably. I didn't even know if I've ever had one. So maybe I'll still drive. They're called knees. Nothing too illegal. You know and I don't know. It's just too crazy to think about just boxing fractures and stuff that never, ever happened. There's more such thing as a boxer's knuckle fracture because you punch more like in the top part of the metacarpals and stuff. I sound pretty educated. I don't even go to college, I mean. You know the top part of those knuckles and stuff, I feel like that's where the most pain is because that knuckle right here hurts a lot when you get punched. Not punched but more like when you hit someone. Yeah, especially if it's not wrapped correctly. Yeah, that could be it too. I've had that happen too. My middle knuckle actually split to the mid-hand and we had to fix that. I had to yank it back down. That's about all that happened for that. But there's more tissue playing around in those knuckles. My experience with boxing fractures, I've never had one personally but talking to Anthony Smith, just picking his brain and everything, he told me about how he ended up getting one with Jon Jones. If you look up Jon Jones vs. Anthony Smith, Anthony Smith shouldn't have won the title but he, obviously a legal knee strike and everything, but here's the thing though, he was holding his pride. He wanted to finish the fight. Yeah. So respect to him though. Yeah, he told me his was really bad. It was one of the worst ones. He has a little plate in his hand actually. How do I describe it? It keeps the bone in his hand from slipping away because without it, since the way that it fractured, it didn't fracture clean how they normally do. It like broke in a zigzag type thing. So he has a plate in his hand to keep it from shifting away and that fight was what, four years ago? Five. Four or five years ago, whenever they started that ESPN Plus deal. Yeah. And he fights in Brazil next weekend. Yeah. So keep an eye on that if you watch that. Keep an eye on that. What side is that on? That's his right hand. So if you see him laying on the right hand and it looks like he's in discomfort, just think about that. He has a body fracture that's probably not doing too good. Yeah. He's supposed to get the plates taken out after this fight. So hopefully the plates hold up again like he's been fighting since. Yeah, because he fought, I forgot the guy's name, but he fights Jamal Hill for the, basically the title eliminator for Alex Piedra. So he fought him. He got blacked, obviously, bigger guy. I mean, he was more skilled than him. So, yeah, it's like if you watch him, it's on pay-per-view, obviously, so you have the money or the time. I don't know if you guys are interested about it, but just to plug, watch Anthony Smith fight and make sure to see that right arm that lands and just see if he's in discomfort because of that boxing fracture. A hundred percent, bro. We're going to wrap this up because we already did this once. Yeah. I mean, I am so sorry about my language and all that stuff. Yeah, Jabez is doing, he's trying his hardest. I work nights and I train, so I'm really out of it right now. So, ma'am, you ma'am have a blessed day and God bless America. Good night, y'all.