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No. Could you have given it to her? No. You'd rather paint medicals. Okay. Do you mind just double checking Drew's in frame? No. Okay. Oh, sorry. You don't mind us in the table, do you? Not at all. A bit clunky. All the gear. So, Drew, I think with this podcast, what I'm really trying to do is bring high vibe people who live with type 1 diabetes. When I was 15, I really struggled with it, being in high school, and I just wish there was something like this out there that you could get advice from and that didn't exist. So, I'm just wanting to really talk about that TEDx talk, because that was really powerful how you've... I don't even remember it. I've got... Happiness. Yeah. All the happiness. You found the questions. I printed them, Drew. No, no, no. I was surprised. No. And do you know what? If... And I stuffed up a question with Ron. Like, this isn't life. So, we can just stuff and... But even so, I prefer to just have conversation. Yeah. So do I. Yeah. Yeah. I've got my questions. I feel like when I see the questions beforehand, my head's thinking... You overthink it. Thank you. So, you haven't... I didn't even look. Oh! Oh, you wanted to. Drew, Drew, Drew. No, it doesn't... No, that's good, Drew. Because it's all authentic. I love that. You sure? Yes. I don't know about that. All right. Oh, you did. I see it now. Sorry. Hey, Ron. Can you... Sorry. Oh, I did it. Are you able to frame Drew up? My bad. No, this is good. I'll probably be like... You'll smash it. Can I move this? Or is that... Yeah. A little bit closer. That should be perfect. Yeah. There you go. Okay. There you go. And... Yeah, you're pretty close to... Too close? No. I'm just trying to... I'm talking away. So, you're talking away? I fly home tonight. Yeah. I flew in late last night. And... Yeah. And... Just have a conversation. I'll probably be like... You'll smash it. Can I move this? Or is that... Just to record? Yeah, yeah. I just... Anything to help these guys. Yeah. You ready to go? 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So one of the things that we talked about during the talk was about how you became happier and healthier after your diagnosis. So a lot of people fall into a dark place when diagnosed, as you've spoken about. Can you give them some advice that helped you? I mean, like, again, I feel like I was so lucky in a lot of ways. Like, it's hard to give advice because everyone's going to be on a bit of a different journey. Of course. I was, I feel like, very lucky to have experienced, firstly, I wasn't, as we already said, I wasn't like a traumatic diagnosis in terms of, like, rush to the hospital, loss of consciousness. So I already felt like, I didn't realize how serious it was, to be honest. Yeah. Because it was like, you know, I got diagnosed face-to-face in a clinic, I was sent home without insulin, it wasn't like a, it didn't seem like life-threatening or very dangerous at the time. Now I know it was, but then I had that milestone when it was the very next day and I'm like, I've got this, it's going to be fine. Which was also a bit of like a false sense of positivity because it's not linear, it's not like, oh, you just get better and better, like, it's very up and down. Yeah. I would say to most people, if you want to, like, find health and happiness with diabetes, for me, the key is the little things. Like, it's not the big things. People think it's like, you've got to do this, you've got to do that. Like, for me, it was just like a little wind every day, like, get to the gym, do that good workout, choose the right meal or make those good decisions, enjoy some sunshine, get outside into nature, like, still remembering, like, what the essence of life is. And for me, it's the small things. It always has been. And I think I was lucky that that was just within, like, that was just in there. I always had a, like, a huge appreciation for such small things in life. Because when you have diabetes, like, if you are always looking for the big milestone moments and the big wins, you're going to be disappointed. It's really just about one foot in front of the other. I know it's such a, like, cliche. But it really is, like, one day at a time, one step at a time. And just focusing on the little things and finding the joy in things that people overlook as just, you know, mundane parts of life, but actually that is where the joy is. So for me, it's actually quite simple. I try to simplify it. And, yeah, I think everyone's going to be a little bit different when it comes to how they experience happiness with diabetes. Like, some people, it's to do with their management. It's like, get my A1C from here to here, or spend more time in range, or, like, these key sort of biomarkers, or get a blood test every three months, and, like, what have I improved? That stuff's important. But I don't think that's where the happiness is. I think the happiness is in the doing, the actions of the everyday life that everyone else goes through. That, for me, is where the happiness lies. And if you simplify it to that, you're actually, it's more accessible. It's easier to attain that, because if you can feel joy out of just getting a good workout and having a coffee and sitting in the sun, you're winning. Yeah, absolutely. So just talking on behalf of myself, so when my sugars go on that crazy rollercoaster, particularly being female, you know, all the hormones, I do feel like my brain can feel a bit sad, almost like a diabetes depression, and it can be hard to pull yourself out of that funk. There are definitely a lot of people who touch base with me and talk about this diabetes depression. It's not, as we spoke about at the start of this podcast, it's not something that you need medication for, but it's probably the only way to actually describe the feeling of it. So if you're in a dark place, because you just can't get off this sugar rollercoaster, you are a diabetes educator. If you have a patient come in on that rollercoaster, what are some tips and strategies you can give them to get off it, which will make them, I guess, mentally feel better? Just a disclaimer on that. So I have a post-grad certificate. Oh, okay. Yep. I'm glad we're having you. Yes. Yep. I think there's something, and I've looked into studies on this, and it is quite amazing the relationship between depression and type 1 diabetes. They are very strongly tied together. And some of these studies suggest that the relationship is bidirectional, so that depression can feed into poor diabetes management, and poor diabetes management can increase rates of depression. So it's like this vicious cycle. Obviously, not living and dying by the numbers is easier said than done, but that's so important. Because if your mood is reflecting every high and every low, you're going to be like this all day long. So it's like figuring out a way to detach. You are not your numbers. How do you detach the individual, the person, from the numbers? Which is hard to do, because you actually have biochemical changes when you have these highs and lows. It's like some people, when they're low, get very angry or aggressive, or I'm sure you've felt it. Sometimes you feel like your mood changes so quickly, you're like, that's not me. And you check your blood sugar and it's low. That can happen. I've learned it's taken me so long to try to detach from the numbers. I still do it. But in the beginning, I just wanted to be perfect. I just never wanted to see a blood glucose above 7, nothing below 4. I just had this very strict type range, which was setting a standard that was just unachievable. And then every time I was out of that range, I was in a bad mood. And I think my personality changed drastically after being diagnosed. I think over a period of about a year, I was like a different person. My sense of humour was gone. All I wanted to do was just figure out, how do I manage this thing? Like I fucking hate it, can I say that? Absolutely, because that's how we're all feeling. I hated diabetes. Every time it was out of range, I was just so much anger. And then I realised that that wasn't serving me at all. And then over time, I just realised, I'm not my numbers. And if I can figure out a way to still find happiness, even when my blood glucose is all over the place, then that's more power for me. So, I don't know, giving advice to people on that is hard. I don't know, what do you feel? What would your advice to yourself be when you're out of range or on that roller coaster? Well, I've had type 1 now for 26 years, and I have come to learn you cannot get upset by the numbers. If I know in my heart that I have done the best job, and for whatever reason they've gone up, like today, I got in the cab to come and record this podcast, and they double-hour it up after I was a flatline all night, that is actually genuinely out of my control. And it's unusual to have that kind of adrenaline spike. But I now know that about myself, and to take that pressure off the numbers. But it is frustrating, because as I'm talking to you, I am a little bit high right now. So, you have to have the water, you feel a bit parched, and you just think, if I didn't have type 1 diabetes, would I enjoy this podcast a little bit more? Because I do, in the back of my head, I'm half thinking, what are my sugars doing, as I'm talking to you? So, it's just, I guess, validating everyone's feelings, that they're real feelings. But, yeah, you can get into a very deep, dark place with it, if you allow yourself. Don't ever define yourself by your numbers. I also think that it's important for people to know that, if your numbers are out of range, acutely, and it doesn't last electronically, from a clinical management perspective, it's probably not going to do that much to your overall health. You're probably going to be fine, if it's every now and then. How often are you having a double-hour? Exactly. However, if it is happening all the time, and you're just pushing it to the side, and ignoring it, that's a problem too. 100%. At what point do you go, okay, this is something I need to address, and make some changes, or this is so rare, it doesn't happen that often, that it's okay, don't do so hard on yourself. It's a one-off podcast, your blood sugars are going to go up, let it go. And also, when I think about athletes, because I train some aspiring young athletes, some of them truly believe, and your beliefs are very important, that if your blood glucose is very high on game day, one of the kids plays basketball at quite a high level, that his performance is going to suck. That's not actually true either. In fact, sometimes it's the opposite. Sometimes you can have a bad performance when you're in range, and a really good performance when you're out of range. So I don't think we should even be attaching a performance, whether it's performing in public speaking, performing on a podcast, whatever it is, attaching it and connecting it to numbers is probably the first place you're going wrong. It doesn't mean you shouldn't strive to be better, and try to manage it in the normal target range, but if it is out of range, it's out of your control. It doesn't define your performance. And actually, I spoke to a couple of really elite athletes who said that some of their best games ever, at the highest level, playing for Australia, where their blood glucose was out of range, almost their whole career. So it's certainly something to keep an eye on it, try to notice trends and patterns, but I think if it's out of the blue, one of the things, push perfection aside and let it go. That's really good advice. So you've mentioned both your mum and dad and sister are doctors, so a very high-performing family. Now, during your TEDx talk, you mentioned your dad was in denial. How are they going today? Do they talk to you much about your type 1 diabetes? We're like best friends. Yeah, they live near me. We have dinners every week. Yep. I think that there was probably a two-year period where I wouldn't say that their life had changed hugely, but they were definitely heavily impacted by the diagnosis for a couple of years. As soon as they saw me happy, healthy, doing really well, it took the pressure off them. I think now, not just because I've proven it with my management, which has been good and I'm living a great life, but they feel safe knowing that this technology is protecting me because for the first, I want to say 10 years, I didn't use CGM. I remember. I remember calling you for a while on Instagram, and it was very exciting. I think, did you use the Libre? I used the Libre. Yes, I remember. I was just, for some reason, I did not like the idea of using CGM. You were really open about it. I remember. Yes, yep. Then I just sort of one day realized that it better help me. Yep. It protects me. Yep. It might even save my life. Yep. I'm sure it actually probably has a couple of times. I agree. It's a real thing, isn't it? That's why we're here, darling. That's why we're here. That's why we're here. That's why we're here. That's why we're here. That's why we're here. That's why we're here. 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That's why we're here. That's why we're here. So it's a charity based here in Sydney that focuses on ensuring that every single type one diabetic across Australia has access to these diabetes supplies regardless of income. So on October the 18th, they're having a Barefoot Bowls Day to raise funds. And I hear a little birdie said, you're going to be there. Tell us about it. Yeah. I mean, look, I started working with Danny Foundation. Over the last few years, we've done a couple, I've been at a few events, like the golf days and stuff like that. And I just think that the story of Danny is so powerful, and so tragic, but so such a strong motivator for people to sort of peddle this message of how dangerous diabetes can be, and how important technology is in saving lives. And yeah, I want to just do as much as I can with the Danny Foundation and drive awareness, hopefully change some of the stigmas out there, because there's still so many stigmas. Yeah, I want to attend as many events as I can and get the word out. And hopefully through my platform as well, to drive people to the foundation to understand what it's about and raise more money. And hopefully the ears of the government and parliament listens, and we get more things across the line as time goes on. Absolutely. So yeah, on October 18th, we've got Barefoot Bowls here in Sydney, and you and I are both going to be there. It'd be amazing to... Soccer balls. Soccer balls. Oh, I love it. I love it. Oh, man. We'll... Yeah, we... Sorry. I'll just check this. Okay. All right. Sorry, Drew. for anyone listening to this podcast right now who has type 1 diabetes, and they're currently going through... Sorry, Drew. Drew, I was like A grade with Rod today. I've just... I've hit the wall. All right. All right. Woo. Not only once. But that's okay. That's why we are recording this, so you guys can breathe. Yeah. All right. So, Drew, you really do genuinely have this amazing story. That TEDx talk was so powerful. I listened to it again this morning on the way here, and I just... I love how you have harnessed happiness, and it potentially even sounds corny, but I get it. It's maybe a maturity thing, but as we just get older, it's the little things in life, isn't it? Getting out in nature, doing your cold plunges down at Bondi, it's... Yeah, you really are remarkable. So I just think for any guy or girl particularly who has been diagnosed in their high school years, I just think it's a really tricky age. What advice would you have to a 15-year-old guy or girl who has big dreams and aspirations for their life, but they don't really have that safe family support that you and I did, for example? They're feeling really alone. They're having their friends pay out on them, saying, oh, you've been diagnosed with diabetes. What's your big brother advice to them? Well, having been diagnosed early 20s, in a way, I was kind of lucky that I didn't have to go through those 10 years of diabetes, which I think would be really tough. I think it is very tough. At any age, diabetes is hard. It is. But in those transitionary teen years, it can be extremely difficult, especially at school, social circles, and feeling different. Teens already feel different and sort of left out. There's pressure, so diabetes is another pressure. So the kids that I've worked with, I can tell you from experience, I've trained and coached a couple of young, as I said, aspiring athletes from the age of probably 12 to 16. The thing that I try to instill in them, the most important part of it, the most important advice, is no one's going to do this for you. Yes, we want a team. Yes, we want people to help us and support. At the end of the day, you have to do this. The responsibility is on you. And if you take responsibility early on, it's going to be much easier for you. Because then you don't have to have these huge learnings later in life where you're like, hey, my mom's been doing this for me the whole time. Now I'm on my own. So the responsibility is on you and it's teamwork. But take responsibility. And then I think from a mental perspective, being proud, not that you have diabetes, but how do you respond to it? Be proud of yourself. Own it. Because when I first was diagnosed, I would hide it. I didn't want anyone to know. I would go to the bathroom. I was out at a restaurant, injecting the bathroom. I didn't want anyone to know I had it. And I realized that the more I hid it from everyone else, the worse my management was. Because I wasn't open about it. I wasn't paying attention to it. I was hoping it went away. It's not going away. So it was taking responsibility and then being proud of the way that I managed it. Showing people in public, straight up, this is diabetes, this is how I manage it. And then actually, taking my journey to social media was also a big step because it was like displaying it to the world, essentially. This is who I am, this is how I manage it, and I'm really proud of what I've done. So I think for kids, it's like the responsibility is on you. Use your team. Set up a nice supportive network of people that have got your back. But at the end of the day, no one's going to be better at managing a diabetes than yourself. And be proud of yourself. Even if your numbers don't reflect the work you're putting in, because sometimes with diabetes, you can be trying so fucking hard and your numbers still suck. What's going on here? Am I doing everything right? It's not about the numbers. It's about the work you're putting in. Be proud of that. Keep going hard. Do what you've got to do. Lean on the technology that you need to lean on. Don't skip those endo three-monthly check-ups. Stay on top of it. Put in the work, and it'll come out. Drew, let's finish on that. That was perfect. You really are an amazing ambassador. And keep being you. Keep posting, because you really are inspiring us all to live our best life. Thank you. That's very kind. I look forward to playing bowls. I am going to take you on, Drew. We'll see. We'll post about it. We'll see. The winner will be on the socials. We'll find out about that one. The pressure is on. Yeah. Thanks for having me. That was awesome. Drew, you're awesome. Thank you. Maybe you can be in the same team. Oh, yeah. That's an option, too. Drew, thank you. That was exactly what I was trying to get out. How you did that last question, that is the whole podcast for me. That's awesome. I'll be on it. Good luck. Obviously, I'm following you. That was super raw and deep. That will help so many. I was crying. I didn't prepare that. Yeah. This is what happens when you go over the questions too much. I was feeling it. I'm like, no, that's not right. Maybe I should have texted you to mention this barefoot bowls day, but I thought that you read the thing, and that's why. I'm sorry. We just threw you in. Are you even coming? Sorry, dude. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah. Even if you can come, it's not a big deal. No, I will. If you can't, I can read up that. I'm going to be here. It will be a Friday.