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Like, initially hearing that, I can't tell if that's someone trying to make themselves feel better or just vicious. Yeah, I think it's somebody fishing. Right. See what the family knows, what the police know. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he was doing. Right. What does the police know? Right. And it's like what Mike said, it's cruel, where you call and you're giving little tidbits and you're teasing that poor mother and the sister and the granddaughter, I mean the niece. To do that to the family, that's outward to me. I'm still passionate about this case. I remember it like it was yesterday. Can I ask you, like I can see it, why is this case so important to you? Hi, welcome back to the Detective Story podcast, I'm Mike Hammond, thanks again for joining in, I really appreciate it. As you can see, we've got some new digs here today, we're recording at the Flava podcast studio on the northwest side. Thank you to Carlos and Jay for having us in here, we really appreciate it. You can visit them at Flavapodcast.com, it's F-L-A-V-A podcast dot com. I appreciate it, I've also got two great guests with me, my brother-in-law Chris Krafka, so you'll remember from episodes 11 and 12, and my good friend Bobby Rodriguez, former Chicago Police Officer, Chicago Homicide Detective, 17 years, one of the guys that really taught me how to do the job, and he's not going to be happy without me saying it, but a real legend on the Chicago Police Department Homicide Unit. I knew Bobby, had great respect for him, he taught me a lot in this department, Carlos Velez. So, excited to have you here, thanks so much for joining us, Bobby. Thank you, glad to be here. And Chris, as always man, I appreciate it, I'm going to let Chris take us away man, we're episode 14, go ahead. So this is a case of Elizabeth Veloz, a female Latina, 27 years old at the time that she went missing. She lived on the east side of Chicago, east side, right? Correct. Not to be confused with Hegawich, east side. At the time she was last seen, she was wearing a blue sweater, a Georgetown t-shirt, black jeans, white shoes, and carrying a coach purse. It was July 26th, 1992. She was last seen leaving Jocko's Bar located at 95th Street and Avenue M, the Chicago southeast side with three men, Anthony Rivera and brothers Richard Acevedo and Victor Acevedo. At some point, as I understand it, an argument or altercation happened in the car, and at some point she was either kicked out of the car or she left the car willingly, and that was the last anybody ever saw of her. As I understand it, her body has not been recovered. Is this, I have to ask, then a homicide investigation or is this a murder, I mean a missing persons investigation? Initially it was classified as a missing persons investigation by the Chicago Police Department, and over several months, probably, let's see, maybe two years, no one ever heard from Elizabeth and or had any contact with her. It was assigned to a homicide team to do a follow-up on trying to locate her. How did you come to catch the case, as they say? I was a homicide detective assigned to the cold case unit of the Chicago Police Department, and one day I received a phone call from a FBI agent asking if he could meet with me, and I agreed to meet with him, and he showed up at our office and he had a file with him, and he showed me the file about Elizabeth being missing for several years, and he asked if I would help him follow up on the investigation, and I'm, sure, why not, you know, it intrigued me. Right. The area, I was very familiar with the area where she lived and where she was last seen. Is that where you grew up, that area, or? Yeah, yeah, when I was very young I grew up in that area. Okay. Right down the block there's a big park, and I used to hang out in the park all the time with her kids, go down to the beach and play baseball, go down and swim down at the beach, stuff like that, but the interesting part about it is that the FBI agent that came to me and asked me to help him, I asked him, why are you investigating this case? There's not too many FBI agents to follow up on cold case homicides back in the early 2000s when I first started looking at it. The interesting was, and it was really sad, was that the agent told me that he had a family member that disappeared, a female family member that was never located, and he thought that when he saw a picture of Elizabeth, the picture reminded him of his family member, and he had a, how do you want to describe it, but he... Yeah, like an emotional connection. Yeah, I guess you could say that, you know, that's one way of how to describe it. Right. So he decided he wanted to follow up on Elizabeth's case, and he wanted to try to find her. And this is in like 1990, this is in like 2002. I believe so. Yeah, so like almost 10 years after she had gone missing. Correct. Man, in all the cases that you go over in your podcasts, the one fundamental important part is the victim, and in this case, man, she was missing for 10 years at this point. That family must have just been going through hell. Correct. Yeah. Did you develop a relationship with the family? Yes, I did. Through the agent, because the agent had already made contact with the family, and he was interviewing them, he was trying to, you know, start at the beginning. Right. When you're in a cold case, you start at the beginning. You always start at the beginning. Go back to square one. It's like a new murder. Right. Like you're going out on the scene of a fresh murder. You go out, and you start your investigation from the ground floor, and hopefully you take it all the way to somebody gets convicted and goes to the penitentiary. And so he had developed that relationship, and eventually he brought me into that relationship. Right. We were working together. We were out doing interviews, trying to develop new leads, credible leads, where we can try to locate her body. Our goal was to locate Elizabeth. Right. That was our goal, myself, my former partner, and the agent. We need to find her. That's the main thing. To this day, that's my goal. I want to find her, and I can explain that later. Right. I'd like to take a moment from the program to have a real talk about safety and security. Before that end, I would like to introduce you to my friends over Blue Knight Security Solutions, your ultimate partner in protection. Blue Knight Security Solutions isn't just your average check your ID at the door security company. They're a team of elite detectives, investigators, and law enforcement professionals with unparalleled expertise. Whether you need their real-world investigative prowess or securing your home, business, synagogue, church, or event, Blue Knight has you covered. From risk assessment to tailored security plans, they'll ensure your safety. Blue Knight Security Solutions provides street-smart operators who can handle any situation. Contact Blue Knight Security Solutions today at 773-706-4920 or visit bluenightsecuritysolutions.com, bluenightsecuritysolutions.com. So, just to backtrack a little bit, what year is this? I'm just trying to get a reference point. This was in cold case, I think, 2005 to 2007 range, and you were there that whole time. What time had you gotten there? Do you remember what year you went to cold case? I don't remember the exact year. But it was soon after. I made Detective 2000, so it was soon after that, but you weren't in Area 4. Correct. I don't remember the exact year I was assigned there. No worries. But you hadn't been there very long when you picked this up, right? Yeah, maybe about a year or two. He came in and asked if we could help him try to locate her. I eventually learned that the FBI had done a lot of work on the case, along with Chicago Police Department, trying to locate her. Earlier in the... Yeah, in the infancy of the investigation, they tried to find her. How did the FBI come to be involved? If I remember correctly, somebody contacted the victim's family. They called the victim's family and told the victim, hey, she was in Indiana with us. We took her to the harbor, the area where she got last seen. They called it the harbor. Based upon what I knew about the harbor, I'm like, back in the 90s, pretty rough neighborhood. A lot of public housing in the area. It's not a nice area to be dropped off at at 3 in the morning or 4 in the morning. Especially if you're a female. Correct. After coming out of a bar. Correct. So if they dropped her off in Indiana, that would have been... Yeah, so that would have given the FBI jurisdiction to look at it. They don't really, as a matter of course, the G doesn't really investigate murders as such. Now, they have, like, task force. You actually worked on the task force. I did. In those cases, they will work on the side. So as part of bigger conspiracy investigations, they will. And like on the Native American reservation, they have jurisdiction to murders. But this, because of the Mann Act, I think is still probably relative to this. Because it crossed state lines, then they have jurisdiction. So this could have been that agent just picked that up because he got interest, got a call from the family maybe. And the FBI kind of, they were nosing around on that investigation, maybe after about a year. And that was because Elizabeth's mother contacted them. They were asking for help. She was able to figure out, hey, they want to cross state lines. Right. So crossing state lines brings them in. Exactly. Just like Mike said. Right. If you cross state lines, that's a whole other ballgame. And that's when usually the feds get involved. Right. So that's how I met Elizabeth's mother and her niece, Elizabeth's niece. So the CPD and the feds investigated that case for a number of years. And then they determined the case we pulled. And it goes to cold case files. There was a pretty extensive search for her remains at some point. It was more of a they were searching for a live body. Nobody knew if she ran off. Right. Maybe she ran off. Maybe she just wanted to disappear. But after several years, I think everybody came to the conclusion she was more than likely deceased. Deceased. And nobody can locate her. As far as the search, I'm not really 100% certain how intensive the search was. But I know there was going out on foot looking, searching abandoned buildings, alleys, garbage cans, vacant lots. The grandmother, I mean Elizabeth's mother, was putting up flyers. And every time she put a flyer up, she told me this, every time she put a flyer up, somebody would come down and rip them down. Said she's gone, you're never going to find her. Right. So at this point, you take over the case and you start from square one. What happened that night? She leaves the bar with three gentlemen. Something happens. I'm sure that you re-interviewed those guys. What did they have to say about the incident? Well, that's where the case really became complicated. And the reason it became complicated was that the FBI was trying to bring them in to have an interview, a formal interview. And the date that they were scheduled for the interview, they showed up with lawyers. So they had representation, and that kind of killed the investigation. Right. Without having any more, as you know, Mike, you need better evidence. You need to have eyewitness testimony, physical evidence. You need a lot more if you're going to bring them in and try to re-interview them knowing that they've already been represented by an attorney. Right. So that's where the case really hit the brick wall. Right. Because we did go out and try to interview people, but we weren't able to generate any credible information to try to push the case forward. Right. Or go out and actually re-interview or make an arrest with the three guys that she was last seen with. Right. I mean, once they've, you know, basically ordered up, you know, you don't want to go back unless you've got something that's changed. I mean, even if they hadn't, you're getting diminishing returns going back and talking with nothing changing. Right. Because there's nothing to go at them again with, you know, really that's just a matter of course. And all these, especially these old investigations, you know, you can have a suspect, even in this case, it's particularly difficult because you don't have a body. Now, that sounds a little cold, but I think the family, everybody, the family was probably, it sounds like it was on the forefront of saying, we don't believe she's alive. Right. Because she just wasn't like her to not contact them. That's kind of right before cell phones. Right. So she wouldn't have had a cell phone on her. Anyway, but she stayed in contact. She wouldn't go days without talking to her mother or sisters. Right. Or kids, too. Yeah. She had a couple of kids. So she wouldn't just abandon, based upon what I knew of her, she just wouldn't abandon her kids. So, yeah, it was a tough one because we hit that brick wall. Yeah, that had to be unbelievably frustrating. You got three guys that are all like, yeah, we saw her, we were with her, we dropped her off, and we drove away. I mean, I was able to generate new information on where they were at. You know, I actually laid eyes on a couple of them. They didn't know I laid my eyes on them, but they knew, but I knew, okay, they're still around. If I need to find them, I think I know where to find them. Right. I was able to push the case to that point where they need to be brought in and be interviewed. Yeah. But, unfortunately, Me and Mike were talking a little bit earlier just to try and get some background on the case. And one of the things that Mike brought up, I mean, there's an offside chance, right, that they do drop her off, and she's in a rough neighborhood, and someone sees the opportunity, and it's a crime of opportunity. Right. They see a potential victim, and they victimize her. What does your gut tell you on this? Is that, like, an outside chance, you think? It's an outside chance. Yeah, I agree. One of the guys that was in the car, he was out cooperating with the FBI, and then all of a sudden he stopped. And when I was reviewing the case and the reports, talking with the agent, you know, your gut feeling after doing it for so long and handling so many cases, you know that, all right, this is the guy that needs to be pushed a little bit. He knows more. He wants to tell you, but he's afraid to tell you. Right. And someone gave him the motivation to stop talking. Correct. Yeah. Correct. Could it have been a crime of opportunity where she was dropped off in a rough neighborhood and somebody saw her? Possibly. I don't believe it. I believe it was the guys in the car. Right. You and I have talked about this on other cases, right? You can't close any doors until you know that they can be closed. Right. You know, we're always thinking, okay, what's the upside to this? What's a defense attorney going to make, hey, if we get this in court, right? So you have to, sometimes it's elimination of closing those other doors, even though you may think common sense is this guy definitely did it, or these people definitely did it, or whoever. This suspect is very likely my killer. You have to close all those other doors. Right. You can't leave doors open until, and focus, get too focused, because even if it turns out you're right and all those things are true, you've left that door, that back door open for, to be wrong. One, you don't ever want to be wrong when you're dealing with these things. And two, for trial purposes, you've left the door open. Right. You can't account for it. But it's like you said, though, Chris. Could have been a crime of opportunity, but there's no evidence of that. Right. There's nobody out there that said, this is a crime of opportunity, so to speak. Right. Were you able to find anybody that had seen her after those three guys saw her? No, no. Like someone in the neighborhood that said, yeah, we saw her walking down the street? I never was able to canvass that. I'm a Chicago homicide guy. Right. I can't go to Indiana and start knocking on doors and asking questions. Right, right. Even though I was able to get permission to go over there and look for them and find them. I'm assuming that the FBI did. Yes, they did. And they were unable to come up with anything. Nobody said, yeah, we saw her at a pay phone, and that was the last person that saw her. Right. Literally the last people to ever see her alive were these three guys. Yeah. And just to illustrate what the FBI did, I don't think you're probably going to know a lot about this. I just thought, one of the things I read, the FBI got in 94, July of 94, they got, I guess, whoever the FBI guy, whoever was the lead agent or was at a supervisor level, realized they had a canine cadaver, canine training thing going on in Milwaukee. So he just saw the opportunity, and he got five of those cadaver dogs down with agents, or maybe they were task force officers from somewhere else in the country, and they searched an area down there in East Chicago. He just called it a wooded area. It didn't even describe really where it was, but it was negative. They couldn't find her. I don't know what took them to that particular location. Maybe they were just thinking, well, this is close. We'll give these dogs a workout. I don't know that. I know they went door to door. They were not the agents. They were canvassing. As we know, you canvass, go around, knock on doors, businesses. You see somebody working on a car, hey, what did you hear? What do you know about this case by chance? Right. Like Mike said, they did a cadaver dog search, but unfortunately, everything hit a dead end. Right. That's why I say everything points to the three guys in the car. Right. There's no other credible information that would say somebody walking down the street grabbed her and did something to her. Right. They at least need to tell a more complete story. Exactly. So we dropped her off. Well, yeah, they got a little bit more detail. They said there was a confrontation. They admitted there was a confrontation. But they basically said she was mobile when she left the car. She wasn't walking on her own. In fact, one of them at one point claimed he got out with her, but she had gotten away from him and he couldn't find her again. That's what he claimed, though. Yeah. That's what he claimed. It's a pretty convenient story. Right, sure. So he was re-interviewed. Then his story changed. Then he called the family and his story changed again. And then the family reached out to the guy and he changed his story again. So he changed his story a couple times. And we know, Mike, when you start changing, you're trying to fit. You're trying to make your story fit, the investigation. He's trying to make it fit, but it wasn't fitting. And to this day, it still doesn't fit. It doesn't fit. Actually, one of those three guys is the guy that calls the family and says, yeah, we were with her and we dropped her off. Like, initially hearing that, I can't tell if that's someone trying to make themselves feel better or just vicious. Yeah, I think it's on Mike. Or somebody phishing. Right, see what the family knows. What the police know. Yeah, right. That's what he was doing. What do the police know? Right. And it's like Mike said, it's cruel where you call and you're giving little tidbits and you're teasing that poor mother and the sister and the niece. To do that to the family, that's a coward to me. I'm still passionate about this case. I remember it like it was yesterday. Can I ask you, like I can see it, why is this case so important to you? I think it's the relationship with the family. And when I was digging into reading the reports and digging in and I'm like, all right, these three guys are lying. I know they're lying. I just can't break their lie right now. Right. Elizabeth's mother, her name was Irene. She was a nice lady. She did her best to raise her family. I got to know her over a couple of months. And one of the things that I try to do, I always try to be as positive and upfront, honest with victims' families. Right. I would tell them, this is what I know, this is what I don't know. This is the missing link in this investigation. And that's what I tried to get across to Irene and Elizabeth's niece, Irene's granddaughter, who I still have contact with after all these years. All these years. And, you know, it would be like anybody else if it was your female relative. Yeah. Same with Mike, same with me. I want answers. I want to try to find it. And for some reason, this case just resonates with me. You know, it stays with me all these years. And I made her a promise that I wouldn't forget, and it's related to the phone call that I received to come see her. You got a phone call from the niece, right? Right. To come see Irene. To come see Irene. Wow. And that was, as I understand it, towards the later days of her life. Yeah, I didn't know Irene was ill. And, you know, you work it, you work it for months at a time. I probably worked that case for almost two years, you know, on and off, trying to come to some kind of conclusion. I couldn't do it. Then out of the clear blue, the niece calls me and says, my grandmother wants you to come see her. And I'm like, okay, when can I come? As soon as possible. I'm like, okay. And I'm thinking that maybe she got another phone call. Or she had new information. I gather up my file. I'm on my way there. I had no clue that she was ill. And when I get there, I see other family members in the house, and they invite me in, and I see Irene in the hospice bed in her living room of her home, and I was stunned. I didn't know what to say. And when she saw me, she actually started crying. It was tough. Yeah. It was tough. It still is. Yeah. And that's the thing, man, right? That's what we try to get across. I've tried to get across from the start of this. Yeah. You build these relationships with these families. It's really hard not to, you know, because you see the passion that they have to get answers, and it motivates you to turn. And that's why I have this strong pushback. You know, you occasionally get, you know, I see things on television or news or just in general, people say, you know, we just want somebody locked up. We don't care what it is. We want to clear the case. It's not like that. It's never like that, because you build these relationships with the families, and you feel responsible. It's not just to get somebody arrested. You want the right person, and you don't ever want to come back and have not told them the truth, because you're always trying. To be honest with them up front, sometimes you have to be a little clinical, you know what I mean, because you have to say these are the facts. I know this is what I'm trying to do. This is what I really can't do, or there's, you know, they'll come up with questions because they'll hear things. And you have to say, yeah, that's probably not true. We'll look into it. But here, based on this and this, what we do know, probably not true. So you build those relationships like that, and then you get something like that comes up. It's tough, right? It's tough. What did she say to you? Well, if you can believe it, when I came in, she asked me to hold her hand. I was holding onto her hand, and she was telling me that she wanted to thank me for being honest with her. And she told me that – and I don't mean this to criticize anybody or critique anybody, but she told me I was the first one that was honest with her about what was happening in the investigation and where roadblocks were. She's thanking me. But I told her, I didn't do anything for you yet. I haven't found her. And she's, you know, crying, and she's not – I'm at peace knowing that you're going to try and find her. And, you know. That's power. It was. It was sad, you know. And she's crying. Denise is crying. You know, I'm getting choked up, you know, because it was tough. It was really tough to see that. You know, I made her a promise. I said I'll never stop trying. And every once in a while I'll make a call to somebody, hey, can you take a look at this case again, take a look, see if there's something out there. There might be something out there, but unfortunately, you know, being retired all these years, we don't know, you know, what other information might be out there yet. Which is why we're here now, right? I mean, that's why we're doing this show, really, because we – you know, I think we can find her. I think we will find her at some point. And, you know, whether these guys go to prison for the rest of their life, if they're involved, or whoever the killer is, it would be a lot dependent on, between now and then, how cooperative they are. And, you know, I'm not going out to interview, talk to any of these people, because that's on them. If they're involved, they've got to come forward and talk about that, because I'm not making life easier for them. Right. You know, I think we can find her. She's been missing now for, what, 32 years? Just over 32 years. July 26, 1992, so 32 years and some days. Which is – if she had children, her children are now in their 30s or 40s. They grew up without a mom. And she's still missing. Still missing. Yeah. It is a little easier. I want to say real quickly, I think as a cold case detective, when you pick up cases years later, it's a little easier to be really square with the family, if they're still involved, than if you catch the case originally. Because I've talked a lot on this show about the integrity of investigation and the keeping control of information. And when you're involved in an active new homicide investigation, that's really acute, because you don't know what you don't know, and you're really going on thinking something could change at any moment. So you're not putting a lot of information to the family or anybody else out there. And I only say that because, as Bobby said, we don't ever want to – you know, the guys from Area 2 who we're looking at originally, I mean, it's not – we're not saying that they didn't do the things they shouldn't have done or they didn't communicate with the family the way they should. It's just that you can't really early on investigate. As a cold case guy looking at it, you know, 20 years later, there's nothing to be lost to be more open with the investigation. Even talking on a podcast like this, when I talked about Becky Breedlove, right, I'm giving a lot of information out there. I certainly wouldn't have done in 1974 if that's my case, you know what I mean? Interesting to hear that from your perspective, having done both active and cold cases. The family, unfortunately, right, is never going to understand the difference between the two. All they're hearing is the flow of information, right, which is – that's just got to be a situation. It's like Denise told me, they just want to find her, right? The goal is to find her. And being able to have closure if they can find her, I think that would be a huge relief for the family. And then the next step would be, of course, to try to find who the killer is. And then the next step after that is to try to arrest them and get them charged and get them convicted. That's way down the road. The goal is to find her. That's the thing, being able to want to find her. I know I do. That would be a huge relief for me after all these years. And I'll be honest, it still bothers me that I wasn't able to find her. After I made a promise, I'm going to find her. I told her, I'm going to find her. So when I find her, I'm going to let you know, and I didn't do it. And she's thanking me, and I didn't find her. Stuff to live with. There's a lot of guys like this. A lot of guys that we work with. We're not just TV guys. We're not TV guys. We put our heart and soul into a lot of these investigations. And it stays with you. It does. And then what happens is, and I know we've talked about this. What happens to you is you get in this mindset, and you get used to this. And we all have our cases. Most of us have these cases. And I always want to know what the answers are to this. And then something happens. Bob calls me and says, hey, I've got this case. And I start looking at it, talking to him, reading stuff I can on it. And then it gets under your skin, and you're stuck. You're stuck. I mean, one, because he's my close friend, and I know where he's at. I've been there. You've been there with me, right? I mean, we want to get answers. I want to get answers for him. I want to get answers for family. And for her, right? Sometimes, in some of these cases, it's only the victim, you know? I mean. So when I picked this case up with the FBI agent, I don't know how it happened. We made contact with one of the local newspapers from northwest Indiana, Northwest Indiana Times. One of the reporters agreed to help me publicize the case in his newspaper. And we met, we drove around, I took him to the various sites, you know, where she was last seen, where she lived. Me and Elizabeth went out to the harbor. This is where she's last seen, right on this corner. He did an article on it, did a little video on it. Let me ask you a question. I think they're coming for you, I think. I did not. And just so you know, it's pistols and guns. Just so you guys know. It just occurred to me, though, you know, is it possible that these guys are actually shrewd enough or someone coached them to say that they dropped her off in Indiana, knowing that it would no longer be CPD jurisdiction, and that they never actually left the state, never left Eastside, and that there was a crime that was perpetrated in Chicago, and they tell the story that they dropped her off there because, well, at that point, man, nobody knows, and Indiana police aren't going to get involved, and they've got a better angle at walking away from this? It's a little too detailed. Yeah. They went to Indiana with her. There's actually, I believe the FBI actually and the Chicago police and I believe some of the task force, CPD task force officers, I believe they actually located a couple of circumstantial witnesses that saw a couple of the guys that were in the car that night in Indiana, and the one guy who we believe was making the telephone calls, he actually gets stopped. Hey, what are you doing out here at 4 o'clock in the morning? At 4 o'clock in the morning? Oh, I'm walking home. Okay, go ahead. I had to ask. Yeah. No, no, it's a valid thought. Yeah. It's just the detail and the preponderance of what we do know, right, makes it pretty likely, right? You know, they were there. Did they drop her off at that spot? That could be a little iffy, but even in that, they've been pretty consistent. They've told that same story multiple times, pretty likely that's somewhere in that neighborhood. So the newspaper reporter, he put it out there, did a little video, put it out there, and we're hoping to generate new leads with that by publicizing it in the media. There's still a pretty significant reward, right, from the FBI. Yes. For information on that. So somebody could do very well by themselves, you know, they get ahold of us and have information. That's a pretty good reward. And it's for her missing. So the recovery of her remains is what they're looking for in that, information that leads to it. So significant to know, but it is interesting, you know. And anybody who hears this and has information, you know, you can just go to the FBI.gov and they have the missing things still there, but you can also reach out to me directly at just my email, which is Mike at DetectiveStory.net, and I'll take care of it. So those three guys would be in their 50s, right around there now, 50s. Could be, yeah. Close to it. Yeah. Last I knew, they're still around. They wouldn't be hard to find if needed. But, again, the goal is to find her. That's the goal. So what we're going to do, this is step one. We're going to do this episode about her, and then we're going to do follow-up episodes. We're going to go out there and, you know, talk to some people, do some filming out that way, and continue to follow up and see what we can get done, you know. I'm always going to let Bobby kind of meet where he thinks that should go, but this won't be the last time that we talk about this. Yeah. I appreciate the chance to bring Elizabeth's story out on social media and to try to generate new information, try to find her. First of all, we appreciate you coming on. I really appreciate it. Yeah, it's always an honor to have you, and it's always fun to sit down and talk to you. It would be great to just do one where you and I are just talking about things, but it's never going to happen. It's never going to happen in that way. But this case is a great one that needs resolution. I did talk to Elizabeth's niece. Bobby hooked me up with her, and, you know, they're motivated. They still are, and it's an impressive thing to see that they're not going to let go. You know, Bobby wants an answer. I want an answer. You want an answer. Family. They're going to pass this on, you know, infinitum. You know what I mean? As long as that family exists, they're going to be looking for answers. So we want to do whatever we can for them. You know, I hope the listeners don't feel that and do the same. There's somebody out there that knows. Somebody out there knows. Those three guys in the car, they, you know, one of them is the guy, in my opinion, but the other two, they need to do the right thing. Yeah. They need to do the right thing. They're going to carry this with you into the afterlife. It's a big burden. That's a heavy burden. Sure is. So, you know, yeah. I think we know which one we're talking about. Well, yeah. But it's the other two that are going to have to do the right thing. You know, contact Mike or the FBI and say, okay, this is where you can find her. Yeah. A lot of it goes from there. It goes. Time to lay that burden down and do right by the family. You know what I mean? So, yeah. Yeah. That's where we're at. Thank you very much. Yeah, man. Thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I appreciate it. We'll keep after it. That's all we got today, I think, man. Thank you guys very much. Thank you for joining us. Appreciate it again. It's not the last you'll hear from Larry Rodriguez, Elizabeth Blos. But please, get in touch with us. Get involved. Get engaged. And we'll find out what happens. So, thank you again. Appreciate it. Thanks to Carlos, Jay, for having us here at the studio. It's pretty cool. And we'll take it on. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right, Carlos. Thanks, bro. So, we wrap on Episode 14. Kind of the opening on our look into the Elizabeth Blos case, a case, obviously, that has stuck with Bobby Rodriguez, a case that he is passionate about, wants answers to, and we want to help him get there. It's probably really evident during that interview with him. He's a really dedicated guy who's just an amazing homicide detective, good friend. Always appreciate the time with him. Appreciate him jumping in on this show and talking about this case. Also, you know, thank you to Chris, my brother. Really, it's always great to have him. He's a really good conduit for these conversations. I appreciate you joining in, as always, taking interest in these things. They mean a lot to us. I hope they're interesting for you to listen to. This is the first of what will probably be many with Elizabeth because we want to find out what happened with her and try and locate her if we can. We'll keep you up to date on that. We've got quite a bit more in store, and we'll keep you up to date for that whole process. Again, thank you also to Carlos and Jay for letting us record in their studio. That's a cool space that we'll be recording out of a lot. So just makes the entire production easier and higher quality, and I hope you enjoy as well. So thank you very much. Keep listening. Like and subscribe. Follow us on all the socials. And our new website, of course, detectivestory.net, is a great way to keep up with what's going on. Interact with us there. You can also always reach out. My email, Mike, at detectivestory.net. I really enjoy the interaction. So, again, appreciate your time, and stay tuned. We'll have more coming. All right? Take care of yourself. Bye-bye. ¶¶ ¶¶