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This is Mr. and Mrs. W. R. Swingin' Adventures. I am Mr. W. And I am Mrs. W. So if you are not over the age of 18, please do not listen as this contains adult content. Right, let's try again for the start of the recording. So tonight we have a special guest. We've been looking forward to this for a while. Yep. So we have Kate from the Wanderlust Swingers. G'day guys, thank you very much for having me on the show. Very much welcome. Been looking forward to this too long now. So we've got some guest questions and I think we're gonna be trying this hopefully with some other guests that we've got planned. So first question, what brought you into the lifestyle? Again. Again. I'm like, I'm pretty sure you guys are sick of hearing it by now. I'll see if I can say it a different way actually. So Daryl and I have been together for, I think, honestly, I'm not big on dates. I think it's like 15 or 16 years. I honestly don't know. I know a lot of people are like, oh yeah, we got married here. I don't know when we got married, by the way. Not a joke. I actually don't know when our anniversary is. I got you tattooed, I don't remember. See, that's what I need to do. But about 10 years ago, we had a conversation about sexual fantasies, interests, and everything like that. And Daryl came home and asked me what I wanted to try. Am I being sexually fulfilled? All the rest of it. And I honestly couldn't answer him on things I wanted to try or we hadn't done or hadn't thought about because I just hadn't given myself the space to do that. We like to sit around and think, do you want kids? What kind of job do you want? Where do you want to live? And all that, but we don't tend to think about what we want to have out of life to feel sexually fulfilled. So I asked him the question. I'm a nerd. I'm a weirdo. I went to the internet. I went to Google. I typed in, what are the top 10 sexual fantasies? And Three Sims and Swinging and whatnot came out quite heavily all through the top 10. And we researched it, thought about it, and then we went to our first ever swingers club in Sydney, Australia, and that was, yeah, 10 years ago. The rest is kind of history. So did you start off with a dynamic, like specifically what you were looking for? No, well, this is really interesting, actually, because when we first started, there wasn't a shit ton of information out there back then. There was maybe five podcasts, and they were all American, English-speaking podcasts. There may have been Spanish ones I wasn't aware of. There was English-speaking ones. And so we didn't have a lot of information about, well, what does that dynamic even look like? Nowadays, when you look up the lifestyle on the internet, one of the first questions is, oh, how do you wanna approach it because everyone's so bloody different? And we had no idea about what that concept even was. So the only real, I guess, dynamic, if you wanna put it that way, that we thought we might have is, okay, we wanna meet other couples. That was the first little bit. And actually, it's really interesting because back then, we were not married. We were just boyfriend and girlfriend. At the time, we were like, we want people in stable relationships. And I just thought that was really fucking ironic and kind of a bit funny because we were just boyfriend and girlfriend. And at the time, when people think about marriage and longevity of a relationship, they think, that's marriage, isn't it? It's not necessarily boyfriend and girlfriend. So that was kind of the only dynamic, if ever, that we had. So I take it, obviously, you must have, afterwards, you thought, once, obviously, you're married, you were like, well, now we want the single people. People who are boyfriend and girlfriend. No, I think we just, we chucked out that concept quite early because we realised that, just because someone's been together for a long, I think, when you first start in the lifestyle, you put a lot of things into place that you do that to try and safeguard your relationship. In your head, you're like, if we have these rules, if we have these boundaries, if we have this kind of, we'll do it this way, then, surely, that's gonna safeguard our relationship and nothing can penetrate us as a couple. And I think that's kind of, at that time, I'm thinking back now, 10 years ago, while we did that, and then I think what we realised quite quickly is, okay, a couple that's been together for 12 years, 15 years, 20 years, is no more or less stable than a couple that's been together for six months to a year. So I just think it was just our, I don't know, naivety? Really? And then we just went, well, that's not the case because we've seen couples that have been together for 20 years that fucking hate each other, don't communicate very well, and are shit, quite frankly, and then couples that are six months in and are obviously just perfect for each other, so. Yeah, pretty much on that one, huh? Yeah. So, obviously, you plan events. Yeah. How does that affect you enjoying the lifestyle itself? Yeah, so, that's a good one because years ago, Daryl and I had a conversation where we made an agreement that I don't play at my events, and there's a few reasons for that. One of them is, especially for the larger events in the US, like you guys obviously know the UK events and they're on a smaller scale, they're one-nighters, they're sometimes two-nighters, and so there's not as much inherent risk involved in the UK ones, but in the US ones, I've got 350 people, it's four days, I've got security, five or six security guards on site 24 hours a day, so it's very serious. We've got onsite playrooms, for example. So, the consent factor and the risk factor on those is significantly greater than, say, what we're doing here tonight, right? And so, one of the reasons I don't play at my events is because I need to be on call 24 hours a day. It's also one of the reasons why you won't see me getting absolutely blotto drunk. I'll have a couple of drinks, I'll be merry, but I won't be super drunk. So, that's one of the ways that it does impact me. I love coming to events, I love meeting people, but at my own events, I just don't play. And then the other side of it is that being in the industry now, you really do see all sides of the coin. You know, I'm pretty, I don't know, diligent with how I feel about how things should be in the lifestyle in terms of fairness, diversity, acceptance, and sometimes when you meet club owners and you really start to kind of scratch the surface, you realize that some clubs really don't operate ethically. And that's probably the biggest impact. It's not so much the sex side of it for me, it's realizing that, okay, the lifestyle, just like everything else, is not rainbows, lollipops, and acceptance. There's actually some fucking shitty people as well. So, that's probably the only thing, because it's taken me from coming into this and going, oh my God, everybody's so friendly and kind, and oh my God, the women treat each other so much more respectfully than they do out in the street and just are kind, and then you scratch the surface of an event or industry person and you're like, oh no, there's still assholes here. Yes, we agree. Yeah, we totally agree with that. Yeah, unfortunately. So, I think that's probably the biggest impact to me is kind of then realizing that, which is a bit sad. What actually makes you choose Penthouse? Over other clubs? Yeah. So, one of the things that, first and foremost, is that they allow us to take over the entire club, honestly, because that enables us to be able to control the security, the way that we like to operate, and consent, code of conduct. So, we actually supply them with a code of conduct as well. Right, okay. So, that's one of the things. The other side of it is that I actually, I think the layout of Penthouse is quite good. If you're new, they have doors and such, whereas like another club here, pretty close to here, it's all pretty open. And if you're new, and maybe you're not an exhibitionist, that might be a bit confronting. Yep. That's one thing. We've experienced that ourselves. Yep. And the thing about this club is that they do have open spaces. Yes, they have doors, but again, you can leave that door open if you want to, but it's there in case you need it. So, that's another reason. The third reason is that they're constantly renovating. When you guys go there tonight, you're gonna see three brand new areas that they've just installed. And they do that, and I don't see many other clubs around the world constantly doing that. Like, every time I go there, they seem to be really putting money back into it, and thinking about what their clients want. And then the fourth and final thing is that they also agree with my policies around, you know, singles and genitalia, not necessarily determining your worth as a person in this lifestyle. I have an inherent issue with women getting in free, and men being charged twice the price of a couple. Yeah. Yeah, we totally agree with that. We've had, well, we've taken a single lady with us a couple of times to a club, and they're getting charged less. Or free. Or free. And I just think of it as, why not do one price? Yeah. For like... Everyone's equal. They also agree with my policies around that, whereas other clubs, and also trans people as well, they also agree with my policies around that. And because I think we take it over, they allow me to say, well, this is how I'm gonna be operating the evening, and I want it to be a place where, however you arrive, you're accepted. And however you play, or not, you're accepted. And I want men to be able to openly play in the club, and that sort of thing, not feel like they can't. And so those are kind of the reasons why we take over Penthouse. We talk to, well, I talk to, a lot of different clubs around the UK. We've done this now a couple of times. I'm actually looking to go somewhere new and different. I've actually got a couple of contracts with some other places around the UK. But again, one that I was thinking about going to, won't let us go there on a Saturday because that's couples only. And I said, well, we have triads as part of our community. And they said, no, that's a single man. And I said, no, that's a couple. They literally live together. They're a triad. They live in the same household. They have the same bank account. Like, they are a couple. And he said, no, that's a couple and a single man. And he can't come on Saturday. So that's one of the reasons why. That's wrong. But I think I know which ones you're on about in that sense. And I'm pretty sure that was New Year's Eve, Mr. and Mrs. H said about, they tried to do them two as a couple. And obviously the lady going as a single lady. I think that should be more implemented. It's because there is a lot of like, yeah. But there's also gentlemen out there that are bi curious or gay, bi, and they want to do that with their partner. Yeah, sure. Why can't they go to a couple? We have a lot of same-sex couples in my US events. You know, we have a lot of same-sex couples. We have a lot of triads. We have a lot of polychords. We have the Mawthons, you know, and we want those people to legitimately feel, we have a lot of trans people coming to our events over there. And, you know, I mean, it's tough. I think, yeah, going back 10 years ago, fine. Maybe it was a bit difficult to have this kind of view. And, you know, it's somebody else's club. Like, I'm obviously not going to tell them how to run their fucking club, but what I won't do is spend my money there. But yeah, I don't know, 2024 and beyond, like I legitimately think that we should be looking a bit further into, you know. I've got, again, I've got a gay couple and one of them is actually a gay bisexual, right? Whereas his husband is, and he likes men, and he wants to come to an event like this to be able to explore with women, right? So why would they not be as accepted as anybody else, as you or I? Exactly. See, we found a club recently that actually does promote single males on a Saturday night. And, but they're vetted. They're same with yourselves. Like, you vet the gentlemen's coming to your events. So we used to do that, we used to do that more specifically. We did it very heavy when we took over a club in London City because they don't allow men on Saturdays. They gave us special permission. So we really had, yeah, so we had, yeah. It was a glitz and glam. That was actually our first event that we ever went to. So we had Zoom calls with every guy for that one, right? I had a face-to-face Zoom call. Whereas now we just cap the numbers. And that's, we cap singles regardless. Single, women, single, however you, singles. We cap them. And it's honestly, it's pretty fucking self-policing. Like, I don't think you would get somebody who's, because we're quite a community based around like a really social aspect. And I just think that you're not gonna get maybe the guys that are thinking, oh, if I turn up and I pay my 70 quid, like I'm gonna be able to get my fuck on. You know, I think they're kind of, it's almost that they just kind of self-police. So we don't vet them as hard as, like basically now I think, for me, I'm gonna allow people to come. I want them to be respectful. If I see behavior otherwise, they get kicked out. It hasn't happened. We've only actually blacklisted two people, but yeah. So what also made you decide to go down, like doing your own podcast and your own event? Yeah, so the podcast was actually Daryl's idea, which is really funny because I was like, again, I think it was like five American podcasts. And at the time, these American podcasts were like, oh yeah, and then we went to this massive club and there was 400 people there. And oh yeah, we got on this $300 flight and went to Cancun and went to a swinger's resort. And we're down in Australia going, we have one club. It'd be lucky if it got 80 people in there on a good night. And the club's $250 to get into. And also it's a 26 hour flight to Mexico. Like we just weren't experiencing this easy version of the lifestyle that they were, right? That was one of the reasons why Daryl was like, oh, we should do, you know, an Australian voice. Like how are we experiencing so vastly different? And I was like, podcast sounds like fucking ridiculous work. And we jimmied these headphones. And like, I kid you not, we had headphones and cords and he'd cut the cord with a Stanley knife and pulled the wires out and connected the wires together. And that's why the first 10 episodes are absolute fucking shit. And that's kind of how we started it. And the irony is that he also said, oh, we should start a Twitter. And I said, what the fuck? Who wants to start, like Twitter is business, stupid, whatever. And the reason I'm saying those things is because I now run the podcast and I run the Twitter and I run all the social media and he has nothing to do with any of it anymore. So I was really pushing back. But that's kind of the reason why we started it. And then the same for the events. We started doing events in 2016. We did free pub crawls in Australia and we'd go to like three or four pubs and we'd do like quizzes and little games and just like social events. And yeah, we just started doing that because there wasn't any of that down there at the time. Now there is, like, again, that was 10 years ago. So there's lots more to do now. Back then it was like, oh, you could go to the one club in the city and again, spend your 250 bucks. But outside of that, you could go on a date. That was it. So that's why we kind of started doing it. And then it kind of grew from there. So has there actually been episodes that you've been so excited to record and why? Oh, shit. I won't put the play episode because we do talk about, you know, play as well. I won't mention those because obviously we're always excited to share some of that, especially if it's been a great play session, you know, excited to share that. But I won't talk about those. I'll take that out of the equation. Some of the ones that I really like talking about is things like vaginal health. I know that's probably not what you expected to hear, but mental health, vaginal health, things that people aren't really talking about, body confidence. And, you know, it's not just necessarily just me. What I like is when I'm interviewing a literal expert, you know, like a doctor or people that are in that field. You know, I had a great opportunity to interview a lady called Dr. Jess O'Reilly, a very well-known, globally renowned sexologist. She used to be on the TV show, Playboy Swing. And I interviewed a guy called Dr. Justin Lane Miller, and he works at the Kinsey Institute. And I've, you know, I've had this opportunity to interview great people. And I think that's what's missing is, again, if we're all talking about the unicorns, rainbows and lollipops, and then we forget that there are some real honest struggles and, you know, it's a brand new thing that your relationship can go through. There's going to be hurdles. You're going to feel crap sometimes. She's going to probably have vaginal issues. You're probably going to have erectional issues. And those are the episodes that I really like. They don't do as well as the... And then I had three cocks-in-my-mouth episodes, but I think they're important all the same. Yeah, I think we discovered that with a mental health one that we covered. And it was like, there wasn't many people obviously listening to that, but then all the other ones where it's like, oh, we've been to this club. Yeah. That was when it's like, okay, you know, do people not care about it? But at the same time, they need to be done, spoke about, because that's part of life. They'll reach the people they need to reach, honestly. I think it's about one third of the downloads, roughly, when I'm starting to talk about a serious conversation. I think we get about one third of the downloads, sometimes a quarter of the downloads, depending on the topic, but it'll reach somebody and I'll get an email and it'll be from, say, again, I'll take the vaginal health one. It'll be from a lady and she's like, I have wanted to exit the lifestyle so many times because every time we play, we have a great session. And then a day later, I get sick. And I just started to think, is the pros, you know, what the con versus the pro kind of thing. Like, do I really want to do this? And she was like, I actually feel heard now. Thank you, you know. So those are the ones where, again, they're not as downloaded, but hopefully they reach the right people. See, I have this. Like, when we go on play weekends and stuff, I end up with a sore throat. Yeah. After. Every time. And it's got to the point where, even on Friday, weren't it, in the morning, we'd done the school drop-off and the mum said to me, right, have a good weekend. Hopefully you don't hurt. She's rubbing her neck as she's walking away from me. And I'm like, really? Because she obviously is aware of what happens every time I do have plays, but it's a bit different. Mine's my throat nowhere else, but. Yeah, it's probably a combination of talking so much in such a loud environment. And then the play, I used to have a girlfriend who got strep every time. Yep. And they actually got out of the lifestyle because of it. Because again, she was, well, it's not just the fact that you have a great play session and the next day you feel like rubbish, but it's costly. Yeah. I remember one time we went to a resort and I got a really bad case of thrush. I think it cost us about $450, $650 in medical bills. So on top of, you know what I mean? Not only do I feel like shit, I also, now my bank account's fucking empty. Yeah. No, I get that. So coming away from the podcast and event questions. Yep. Drinks. What type of drinks? What's your go-to drink? I start with an espresso martini all the time. That's my go-to. That makes you get handed a glass of white wine. I get handed a glass of white wine. Espresso martinis are normally my go-to. And if we're at home getting ready for a date, Daryl will actually make me one and bring it up while I'm in the bathroom, you know, doing my hair or whatever. So that's always my go-to because it's caffeine and I really love it. I actually had one last night at 10.30 and one of my friends that's over here from the US actually came and said, what the fuck are you doing? Like, that's not your go-to. And also at 10.30, put the caffeine down. And then, yeah, normally I'll either drink wine or I'll drink vodka. Those are kind of like my go-tos. And I try not to deviate from that because I'm like a feral raccoon sometimes. If I get a bit of alcohol, I'm like, I'm all about alcohol. And I had a very sweet drink at the club last weekend. Again, I normally don't do that. And somebody had this like really sweet drink. It was like a cherry, almost like that cough medicine as a kid, that stuff. I was like, oh yeah, I'll go for one of those. I felt so sick after. So yeah, that's my vodka, espresso martini, and then wine. Yeah, I'm trying to think. We have one more question. So this is a question because we're very separate to like watching porn and things. What is your go-to category? I don't watch a lot of porn, but I do like on Twitter sometimes what you'll find is like these, so I don't know whether it's an attention span thing. Which by the way, I have a lot of girlfriends and male friends that are in the porn industry. So you do you. But it's like on Twitter, you'll see these like really short snippets. And some of the channels that I watch will be short snippets. And I like actually just, I like flicking because that's a variety of different people fucking. And that's what I really like. And so it'll be something where, I don't know, it'll be, you'll be scrolling and it'll be like someone's, you know, ball gagged and getting fucked in the pussy and smacked on the ass kind of thing. And then you'll keep scrolling and somebody else giving a headshot. I just like that variety. I don't know what it is. I think it's an attention span thing. We're the same then. Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, so I think that's probably that. And if I was going to actually watch porn, there's a porn creator called Dorcel, D-O-R-C-E-L. And that is more story-based, more sensual. It's very French. And I remember one of the episodes they did was that they had a dinner party. And so let's say it's maybe, I don't know, 14 people kind of sat around a dinner table and chairs. You know, everyone's looking really fancy. And then one of the girls got under the table and then started working her way around each of the people, man, woman, other. And, you know, giving them a head or whatever. And that was a really sexy, you know, and the screen, the camera work was kind of coming from her doing it like this way. And then the other way where you could like see her pussy and her ass like that. Really sensually done, really nicely done. And that's probably one that I'll, Dorcel, yeah, I do recommend it actually. French porn, very well done. If I was going to watch anything, that would be it. So I tend to stay away from it because I'm one, I go into so much detail. She even said the plug socket goes, is that on or off? Yeah, I'm like, the plug socket's wrong or the cushion on the sofa, why is that like that for? So I physically can't focus on that itself. I focus on the everything else that's going on. So we're quite separated with the whole. That situation. Yeah. But no, did you have anything else you wanted to add? When, obviously you were the first and probably gonna over stretch here, but was the first event the Glitz and Glap that you've done in the UK? We did smaller ones before that, but that was really the first one where we wanted to look to create something new and see whether it was gonna work. You know, because when you commit to doing these events, like financially, it's a lot of money on the line for me. So when I signed the contract for the hotel, when I signed the contract with the club, I have to pay them upfront, right? And we're talking tens of thousands of dollars. So the commitment is a lot and the risk is a lot. And so when I do that, I wanna make sure it's gonna actually work. So the Glitz and Glam at the boudoir was really our first time to say, okay, could this potentially work where I'm not gonna send Daryl and I bankrupt, basically. So that was the first time we kind of started to look to do something a little bit more in the UK. And again, it's just, even from then to now, I think there's so many more event producers now in the UK. Back then, there were still event producers back then, but not as many. And so it was like, okay, could the UK, you know, would it work for the way that we like and I like to do things? Because you just never know, right? But now again, there's more variety now. There's lots more people doing it. So even if we aren't someone's cup of tea, like there's gonna be another event person out there that is someone's cup of tea, you know, so. Yeah, see, we, from the boudoir, I think up until this event now, the Black and White Ball, we've not actually missed one. Oh, yeah. To the point where it's like, I think it was Winter Wonderland. We were literally sat there going, do we, don't we, do we, don't we? And then I just went, we're booking it. But we got quite lucky on that one because we got the same double room and then that was to be able to bring our friends to come with us. We're always, every time we go to a club or speaking to new people, we're like, oh, do you listen to podcasts? And it's all, even though, yes, we do this one, but we don't, we mention it normally 90% at the end, but it's always yourselves and Mr. and Mrs. H from the Bedhoppers podcast because we see it as, because your events are so much our cup of tea, we always wanna promote you. They're right. Because even though our listeners probably have listened to you, yourselves and the Bedhoppers, it's just that extra, it's that extra bite. Right, yeah. Oh, no, right, I forgot about that one. Let's do that one again. It literally is. So the conversation will go from, do you listen to podcasts? And they normally say, oh, we listen to a couple. We don't listen to any either. Right, listen to the Wanderlust and the Bedhoppers. It's like, they're fantastic. They do events. But I'm sure he thinks he's on some type of promotion base over it. I was gonna say. But no, he will literally tell anyone and everyone wherever we go about the events. Oh, thank you, that's very kind. We do like them. We're happy with them. Yeah, that's our way of contribution back, in a way. And that's another reason why I wanna start trying to change up the locations, right? Because people like you guys who've been to a few now, like for sure you're probably like, all right, what's different, what's new? You know what I mean? So that's another reason why if people keep coming to the events and they're like, I wanna be able to keep it semi-fresh as much as we possibly can. That we're doing different things. You know, with the floor crawl this afternoon, for example. We did that for the first time last time. You know, and then I've looked into trying to have like a conference space during the day and doing like burlesque dance lessons and adding more things into it. But again, just seeing if people actually want that. Because in my head, I'm like, yeah, fuck yeah. And then maybe people don't actually. I was like, that's a good point. Like, you know, that's a good point. Like if we can get a conference space in one of the hotels then we can start to do all those little extra things where you could have like, yeah, a little like a twerk lesson during the day or whatever or this or that. Or even photo taking. We did a great session with how to take sexy photos on your phone. You don't need expensive equipment. Like how could you do that? How could you pose? What does that look like? You know, so we've done that before in the US and it was gangbusters. And then everyone up there, they're dating professionals. They're dating professionals. They're dating professionals. It was gangbusters. And then everyone up there, they're dating profiles with all their new photos. Very excited. So you get something out of it as well. Yeah. See, that is one thing we have actually said that we would definitely like to come to one of your events in the US, but that childcare would. Yeah, it's like time and financial commitment. Yeah. If you're a little bit older. Yeah. We'd be straight out. Definitely a time and financial commitment, isn't it though? They're not cheap, yeah. And then the flights and everything else. Yeah, but no, we said one day eventually we'll make it. Hopefully. Is there anything else? No, I think I've covered what I wrote down. Yeah, pretty much. Did you want to add anything else? Are you guys looking forward to the floor crawl? You got your mates here. Are you excited to show them? We are, yeah. So we are actually, like we said, they came with us last time and I loved the rooms last time. Yeah. And I think obviously if you've mentioned about the- Harry Potter, I can't fucking wait, mate. I've got a cloak. I'm so excited. We were just listening to the score while we were pouring all the bottles. We were listening to the Harry Potter soundtrack and then we got a fog machine. I'm like, fuck yes. I'm stoked. I can't wait. You told me before I want one. I really wish we had a sorting hat or something like that too. The other day, Mr. H was like, oh, it'd be really nice to have a fog machine. And Mrs. H was like, we're not getting a fog machine. And then he texts me and he's like, really nice to get a fog machine. I was like, I just bought one. I think she actually said that on the Zoom. They mentioned it and she was like, no, we are not doing that. Yeah, I bought one. It's not going to set the smoke alarm off, no? No, no, we just tested it actually. We're only going to turn it on a little bit and we'll just see how it goes. So you can come down the stairs and see if you can borrow one of the hats. Yeah, that's actually a good idea. Although I don't want to then have to pay for a hat. So we'll see. We'll see. But no. But no, yeah, we are excited. Cool. We've been looking forward to this since it got released last week. Yeah. And the fact of the room crawl, I think that's what I like because everyone is so different and you get to meet people that you might not necessarily meet at the social prior or in the club. So it's nice to be able to actually sort of speak to people. I enjoy it. Yeah. Nice. Pretty good, about half an hour. Cool. That's fine. All right, thanks guys. Well, I hope you have a good night. I don't know, hydrate. That's what I always tell people. I always say hydrate and get some sleep, but you won't be getting, like you're fucked now. If you won't be napping now. So yeah, you're going to be up until midnight. If not longer. Yeah. I think last time we got in. That's right. Just before two or just after two? I think last time we got in. Just after two. Nice. Nice one. But yeah, no. Thank you very much. All right, thanks guys. See you guys. See you soon. Thank you. So I enjoyed that. Yeah, we thoroughly enjoyed that interview. It was just so nice to sort of spend that time with Kate getting to know her a little bit better. And seeing how they started. Yeah. So we definitely enjoyed that one. We did get another one cracked out that weekend. So that weekend was nonstop. Yes it was. And we have actually got another episode to get out before we discuss the black and white. Are we? Or are we going to do black and white? No, we have your birthday weekend. Oh yeah. So I also want to quickly point out that what we are recording now, to add on to the end, wasn't recorded on the day. No. And... That is why you can actually hear me a little bit better. Yeah, we did have a technical issue with the mic. Yes, we did. Although we recorded the night before. And it was fine. But then... And we didn't even touch it, did we? No, left it, literally left it on the dresser. On the side. We didn't touch no buttons. We didn't turn nothing off. And then all of a sudden, as soon as she arrived, and we start going into it, I'm like, we can't hear her. We couldn't hear her, could we? That was the thing to start with. So we were swapping mics, going down to one. We recorded it like three times. Yeah, for the start of it. Yeah. And then, in the end, we were like, right, everyone can hear her. We then shared a mic. Yeah. And it was a chop and change between the both of us. So Mrs. W is very quiet on there. Yeah, and I do apologise for that. But we are going to upgrade the equipment again. Yeah, I think we need to. Definitely for that style of podcast that we are going to try and push a bit more. As if I really enjoyed it. But, as much as we enjoyed it, we're not going to waffle no more. No. We are going to love you and leave you all. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Thank you for everyone that come on. Yes, and also, socials. So we have... X. Instagram. TikTok. Swing Hub. Pineapple App. Fab. And Fab, yep. Do we have anything else? No, I don't think we do. Okay, and obviously we're open as per to messages. Yeah, drop us a DM. Drop us a DM, let us know what you thought of this one. We know one person is very, very waiting for this one. Well, the two of them, I think, are both waiting, but he's desperate to listen to this. So, we shall wrap this up and see you soon. Good night, guys. Thank you, bye.