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Josh and Ross discuss their thoughts on AI in this podcast episode. They talk about the benefits and drawbacks of using AI for research and creative purposes. They also debate whether AI-generated art can be considered original. They both agree that AI is a useful tool, but it should not replace human creativity and critical thinking. G'day guys, I'm Josh and I'm Ross welcome back to the potty here. We are again Yeah, this is this is releasing tonight, so this is a pretty Relevant you when we're recording this what right now at 3 in the afternoon So school and here we are so this is a freshie We've got a few things to talk about but our key topic will be AI yeah Yeah, so um we'll get a quick prayer going and Keep that one off Yeah, and we father. Thanks again for another potty It's great. Just being able to come together and talk openly Lord There's a lot of places in the world where people don't have that opportunity, so we just thank you for that Lord We're very grateful for freedom of speech Yeah, we just pray on for yeah Anyone that's home listening to this Lord that um they can enjoy it and get something out of it And yes speak to us Lord. I'm in I'm in so good all right So just before we get into the big combo Russell yeah, what do you just ate mate? I ducked off early because I had a free period and I was pretty hungry So I went to Hungry Jack's and I'm pretty stingy so I bought myself just a chicken royale and a carry cup And I was waiting in the queue for ages trying to get it anyway I just mung down of a burger, but before I before I did I looked at the bottom of it. I showed you guys Now I'm hoping that it was flour But there was this really weird-looking white patch on the bottom of the bun And I don't know if it was mold or flour, but I wanted I wanted to go with being flour. I hope it's mud well We'll find out soon Stop talking it goes quiet. You know yeah Yeah, I was just um You know I was telling you guys that I was eating it and I felt something sticking to my teeth I don't know I don't like it, but I've washed it all down now So fast food is always give me a bit of it. Yeah, I had a full craving for and everything and now I'm regretting it Yeah, yeah Now before we get off topic even more I just want to say I know we can only listen to this podcast, but right now. It's not so bad caramelized tuna No, I don't think a caramelized tuna, and it wasn't great It's kind of like you've cooked the camera by caramelized the onion yeah, and I put it in a tin It's been sitting on the shelf Let's get straight into this I'm a big ally advocate, and it's actually saying I want to study at university because I believe it is the future and You guys think of it Do you think it's something that's just going to be like a crypto currency that? Become the big thing blows up, and then just dies awful. I thought that early on leaving. It's here to stay Yeah, I feel like a few years ago like I definitely like Heard about people saying oh, yeah, like it's gonna take over some of these jobs like it might do this Gonna be fine, but now like It's like getting to be a big thing like because we all use JVT. I've used JVT And like JVT is just the beginning of it and JVT Regardless of people that don't like like don't like it. It's a useful tool it is I know I've had teachers tell me that too. Yeah, it's useful to say Universities use it to like students and stuff on a financial like planners that use it I know business owners that use it It's such a like why do you think and this is a common thing? I use for people that don't like it I say to them when your Grandfather was sitting there with a book and doing all his school research from a book and you came up to him and said hey You know I've got my information off this thing called Google And then the grandfather would have been like what that's stupid anyone can put information on there could be full of misinformation Blah blah blah blah and yes, it is to some extent, but we all use Google now like it's nothing very true Yeah Yeah, I suppose you're right, and you so you're kind of getting the same philosophy for chat JVT I think well, I just think that AI as a whole why I mean doesn't the chat JVT doesn't Kind of based on what from what from to give it it kind of looks through Google And yeah, anyway, so get information to answer that I think it's a bit dodged It makes it lazy, I guess it's not research anymore But Google is the exact same Google you put in a prom Quotation you ask it, but it's a more refined at least well I just agree there see with Google yeah sure you can look something up with Google, but it provides you with different websites articles Images whatever else and then it's up to you to you know sift through all that and take what you need Whether the chat JVT it basically you can ask it to write an essay for you And it'll give you that whole thing you just copy paste or whatever. Yeah, it is look This is the way I is another thing I say to a lot of people is it laziness or? Would it so if you see a farmer out there on his tractor? You're going to call him lazy because he's not out there with his five cows pulling these That's a very different circumstance so with JVT I think that it's very Circumstantial on whether you're being lazy or not so if you're if you're asking to write an essay for you I would say that's lazy Even if you go ahead and edit things and make changes to it so your teacher can't find out you chat JVT I wouldn't call that work. I'd still call that discovery I'd call that lazy whether as if you're using it as I suppose more of a research tool or way of You know prompting ideas, so what for me? I I used as part of my drama major work when I was writing a short play No, so basically it would just I just asked it to give me ideas. Yeah, I'm from those ideas I thought well, that's a good idea, and then I'd branch off of that you know That's just very specific, but you know I think it's very circumstantial. I used it in my English like Thing like and what I'll do is I'll say hey, this is what I've done here What language techniques am I using or how can I how can I navigate like so? I'll say you know like I've got this sentence I'll send it a sentence and I'll say can you give me some feedback on this sentence does it make sense and does it? Effectively use this language technique, so I actually ask it so I'm kind of know what I want But I'm using it to bounce back, but see that's all right. I think that's okay I'm not asking you to do it for me Or I'll say can you provide me with an alteration of this and how it might look and then I can compare them That's what you usually meant to do with your teacher. Yeah, yeah, but like I do it when I'm not with my teacher Yeah, I feel I still choose to send an email Yeah, I'll be using it just because obviously our teacher is very experienced and actually has the know-how That's right, and so she can actually suppose Produce ideas that this might not come up with because again Yeah, chat you can say in particular looks at like you know Web sites and whatever else whether it's our teachers has got years and years of experience and knows all the ins and outs Yeah, I definitely think it's dodged just Information based and where it gets its stuff from so you are doing research, and you use that solely for research I don't know like just do it yourself, like you've got Google Scholar and all that stuff Being right beings are pretty big like good. It's the version of Google. Yeah, the only version I'd say And they've actually changed it. They're recently changing it to a completely AI based thing So this search engine is like writing something in the chat GPT Yeah, and like I feel like Google might be that direction. Here's one thing that kind of funnily enough I feel like we talk about in every podcast But he would love to be in this because we've had this conversation But I Know I a big issue with it is that say if we all start to get our research and stuff from like I know I in chat GPT It's not going to have sources to draw from anymore. That's right. We're not creating original sources. That's very true Yeah, so that's where it gets a bit difficult And isn't it even like with chat GPT isn't only updated to like 2019 at some point like it's not up-to-date You're only gaining information from that time. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Well, they'll always be behind time That's another thing I suppose Like they couldn't stay up to date but especially when you need current statistics Yeah, I probably think I wouldn't fully completely take over because ways that we are doing it now Like new research Yeah, another another part of I like that kind of branches off chat GPT, but it's a bit different is Generative AI which is like images and stuff like that. Mm-hmm, and I think that it's pretty awesome but Where do we stand on that? Again, I think it's definitely those benefits and it's a pretty cool tool We've used it a fair bit and made up some pretty cool stuff, but With saying that live I can see you really jump in here I keep trying to talk and then you say something and I'm like oh I don't know what that is Where do they get the art from like where do they get that stuff from and Like it's not solely because the AI like it's so good that it makes its own thing It has to get it from somewhere. I don't think it can make its own things though. I don't know I didn't like a whole debate. I'm like it's stealing other people's art and like but when it if it creates something that it's Owned thing. I feel like art isn't something that you can say stolen somebody saw that. I don't feel like you Yeah, you know what? I mean? Like I feel like it's very it's its own thing You can copyright that but if I changed a few strokes in a painting, is that my own artwork? I Feel like it gets very What I feel with on the topic of art I feel like when someone creates an artwork It's their own interpretation of something and it takes their own imagination and creativity to make that right with AI Like sure again, it's a great tool for you know, coming up with these awesome, you know artworks or you know whatever but I feel like that really just takes away from people using their own imagination and their own creativity to To come up with these ideas like they they have ideas, but well if you have an idea Why don't you make it up yourself? Exactly rather than just ask a computer to come up with that for you. I suppose to me though What I do is when I'm trying to actually create a story in English What I'll do is I'll actually create this story and to kind of check that I'm in the right direction I should use it as a prompt my sentence into it like this generative I oh I and actually produces an image and it allows me to visually understand and like It demonstrates what I've written. Yeah in a visual form. I think that's awesome And I think that like I don't know like like we were kind of touching on before it gets very in the lines of whether It's copying someone else's yeah, cuz I mean like I could take a technique from you know, Bob Ross and a technique from Another artist But I don't think that I don't know if it's hard but a lot of AI stuff is very It's very like It's not realistic and I feel like that's like where it's unique. Yeah, like it's not stealing because it's all very digital looking fine Yeah, I think I See what you're saying, but Has anyone really tried to ask it to generate an image but then make it look like it's From something else like if you were to ask it to you know, come up with this picture But then say make it look like an oil painting or something. Yeah. Yeah, I think it can You know, it's ready to look more realistic. You never know. Yeah, I didn't have a hyper realistic and stuff. Yeah Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah I think it's I suppose the wonderful but also dangerous thing about AI is that you can be so specific with it that it can Generate something really detailed and like basically exactly what you what you're thinking and what you want to do so well, I Think we've we're growing up in an age where it's very cool because I are starting out It's like a very early stages of chat dbt So we're seeing younger years using chat dbt to write their whole English essays We're all going through the whole process of creating things to combat that and we're learning how to use it No, I bet if it's gonna be interesting to see in the next few years If we finally unite and finally worked out how to use chat dbt so well that they don't have to write in English It would be very cool to see How the world well, I'm pretty sure I read an article saying that Sydney University is Encouraging their students years of stuff GPT Integrating it and I think that it's at a point where You can't you can't block stuff off. You can only block it off for so long. It's kind of like if you said We don't want phones in schools. That's gonna cause an error If you say put or don't use phones kids are gonna find a way to use phones. Does that make sense? Yeah, so I feel like we're getting to a point where it's actually better to educate people on how to effectively and you know properly use it rather than Use it dog. I definitely think that's worth doing but again With that I mean, maybe I'm just being a bit biased or negative towards a I know but I feel like weird people we've We're very easily tempted to do something that benefits us to find an easy way out Yeah, and so I know that I've definitely done that in the past when it comes to school work I'll find the easiest way to get something done or like the slackest way to get done out of the way finish Don't worry about it. Yeah, and I think that you know, we can easily be tempted to use it the wrong way And so even with having You know being taught perhaps the right way to use it or or the way that we should be You know using chat GPT to assist us with our work. Yeah, wait most likely going to be tempted just to Ask it to do it all for us anyway Talking about AI being dodged. What do we all think about the my AI on snapchat and you bestie? I've never used it. I'll tell you what I Got rid of snapchat right when that came out not because of that but just because I was like I don't need snapchat It's just the dumbest thing. Yeah, and so I got rid of it right when that came out I think I don't even think I had a conversation with it I think I actually edited it. I changed the avatar to make it look like I pretending to be Jesus Not like a friend but like it's more of a conversational I've heard some weird Controversy about that something to do with like it leaves people on open or on red and just doesn't talk to them Yeah, anyway, um, what I want to know is will I or I take over Do you think it has the capacity to To you know, take over the world or something like that Like a lot of people a lot of people say it's like this big scary thing But do we really think that it like, you know, like I suppose we look at like things like Terminator and stuff like that Yeah, we're like, you know the big bad robot like takes over the world and everything. That's not a either Like I suppose like I've been a I like the founder of that believe that like I was gonna take over and they're actually worried they think they're gonna have to shut it down because he feels like he can't sleep at night, yeah, right Do you think that it's something we should see I Think there's a lot of things to fear in this one. I think we like it too much to Say convenient because of its convenience. We're not gonna be like, oh my gosh We kind of disregard the whole scary idea because we're too busy using it for our own self-benefit So I suppose I climb a lot bounces off like the idea that like you have like your your iPhones and stuff like that And we pretty much all full well know that they track us Yeah, like I'm pretty sure we've all been told at some point that our phones are tracking us apps are tracking it They're all actually listening. I don't wear my Google listens to me and we literally continue to use it Like we know that they're basically stealing our data and marketing it. Yeah, we still continue to use Yeah, like I don't know I suppose Overall, I feel like I eyes more promising than I feel like everything that is new and emerging It has a consequence to it You don't get the good without a bad Yeah, I don't think that's the way it's going Not just without but as you say a lot of things and like I don't know I feel like a lot of people say they'll replace jobs. Yeah, what do you guys think about that? Do you think it will or do you think alone? Mmm, I think it'll I Think it'll change jobs. You think we're seeing a lot of jobs being Taken away so to say but they're kind of getting replaced by I suppose jobs that Require us to look after these machines or Intel AI like artificial intelligence that are taking those jobs away So they're basically shifting everything towards technology based And information basis. Yeah, I might be like we need to get everyone to start learning Yeah, exactly Technology stuff so they are able to look after it and that's the only way it might take over Possibly. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it depends on us to look after it. Yeah, it's definitely not like Except I don't think it's gonna take jobs. I actually really like how you said that Yeah, I like how you said that it's gonna change jobs Yeah, because like I mean, I feel like we're always going to be losing jobs and like getting jobs, but like so like um It's good. Yeah, it's not change. It's not losing jobs because we're always losing jobs and stuff It's changing them and I really like that. Yeah, definitely changing the skill set needed and stuff Look that doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, we're happy about it Changing jobs like, you know, think of the manufacturing industry if you like, yeah, you know people who once used to make Anything just people that would make a door or a door even like that kind of stuff metal. Yeah Hitting metal back in the day driving wood. You've now got machines that have replaced those jobs But those people that have been replaced and now looking after that machinery. Yeah, exactly You know, they press the button and the big red button. Exactly. So again, it may not be something that we particularly like But I suppose you know whilst it's jobs are changing. Yeah That's the way I'd put it. Talking about jobs, I don't really know like if this is relevant or not But that will work. There are new cameras that sit at the top of each checkout and basically every single time like I actually got priority one train like recently and they were like showing me how it worked and It was like if you were to scan an item or if there was another item that wasn't scanned like that They'll be like, oh wait stop. You have to check this and they replay it and they'd be like There was this item that wasn't put through that is actually a really cool thing. And I'm glad you brought that up All right, you wouldn't know that if you don't know what but that's why I've noticed that these new cameras installed we're like it actually as because if you say you have like a you know, Ten kilos in a dog food. Yeah, and it's sitting in the bottom of your trolley and Count as you can't always see below it So it's actually a camera that's straight above and actually shows if they have anything in there like you can see on your screen I can see on my screen in front of me It'll actually pop up that camera feed and it will say they've got this in there thing. Have you scanned it? And like I always being used in will work for like our scans and stuff So scanning for stock is like automatically like check all these things I think that it's just an advanced computer system and it's going to be implemented in a lot of places that Look, I like is that are there any real key concerns? You guys have it haven't expressed yet or key Like things you like about it. I'm not really I think the main thing for me is what we've really covered the fact that one we're just so dependent on technology and AI That you know Yeah, yeah exactly and the fact that we're happy just to let it take over because we're so lazy We're happy where's people were just so I suppose. Yeah glad to let something else do the work for us We're having to sit back and relax and and still get something done by allowing someone else to do it It's like I suppose if you want to compare it something back in the day like when you know, you've got that whole Stereotype of the the dumb kids in school who were the bullies didn't really want to do their homework We didn't know how to do it. So they yeah Got the nerdy kids to do all they pay someone else to do it Yeah, I suppose it's the same as that whole concept where we've we've we're just you know, letting it do it But we were doing it for free. It's like oh you you can do this for us. So do it That's that's you know big thing to me and then Yeah, of course What I've just been talking about how it changes jobs, you know Like there are just people who've been doing certain jobs all their life And it's something that gets you know, the rug gets pulled out from under them and then you've got a totally change in the bat one really interesting thing that I suppose would probably have to finish up on but um as jobs like, you know, I suppose Automation kind of starts to take over a bit and I know we said that they replace jobs, but you know as jobs probably become less Jobs are changing. We probably have less jobs as this technology grows like, you know taking more roles I let they're less labor-intensive like the jobs change, but we definitely don't need you know Like I suppose to hit a door and you might have needed four people and now it's just reduced to one So I suppose as everything becomes technological and everything automates What does that mean? Like say for example, we got to a point in life where everything was automated Production of food production of goods production of services Does that mean that none of us will have to work anymore? How do you get like say this is really fun in the future imagine it what would happen? Because like money is what is used to control us and not always like in a real It is probably pretty dystopian, but it's just a measure of you know, like it's out. It's a Measure of exchange like, you know, you work hard so you can exchange it for a good that someone else worked hard Yeah, like it's actually a pretty smart system the whole concept of money. Yeah, but if money disappeared because we're not working anymore How does that all work? Like even with like just all technology controlling them and like wheeling them around I Think oh, yes with the jobs that are changing like most of it's going to be sitting down at a computer or working on like Like it's not as labor-intensive and we're not going to be getting out as much as well. So that's sort of my Back to like Yes, I was kind of looking after the technology that then you know, we rely on yeah I know I just found it pretty interesting like say for example We got to a point where the machines ran themselves and where they ran food production and we needed a hundred people to work on those machines to keep them active and the rest of us could just sit around and Say that this didn't produce enough goods to be evenly distributed Who would get what like, you know what I mean, maybe we'll go back to like Roman times start bartering and yeah Well, maybe that is what it'll be like I'm just wondering what would we be entitled to the money is a form of entitlement like it's out It's what we can use it. You know, I'm entitled to be up about this money, but say Like this machine produces 25 quick toy cars 25 laptops and 25 water bottles You know, you've got a toy car I've a laptop she's a water bottle but I wanted a toy car and you want to the toy car Who's entitled to that couldn't neither of us are working cut it in half and go. I don't know Very it's something that's very complex. I don't know. I'm making much sense. No, I'm getting you but like I just wonder like Cuz like work working for money is what makes us, you know, that's our currency to get stuff But if we stopped working like a lot of us, I don't know anyway, that was my little rant Leave that for you guys at home to think about. Yeah, we've really extended it We're probably sitting around 30-minute podcast now. Yeah, right. It isn't the end of the world. We've had a lot of people But just to let you guys know this is all generated by AI Yeah, it's just like some automated AI system To show you how it's taking over But real quick couple announcements live what have you been doing I've Recently put up a chase and face Instagram account Which is will be exciting when I actually post Yeah I've got some exciting things coming. Um, so yeah, I'll be posting on my story So if you follow me just really like click on my story follow and yeah That's it on instagram at chase and faith underscore Russell what's happening with coast goats coming up guys guys have a couple of gigs coming up shortly Big ones on the 20 way. Yeah 28th of this This month and prior to that. We've got our single lost my mind officially coming out on all streaming services on the 16th So yeah, watch out for that Definitely appreciate you can pre-save on Spotify and you can also find us on Instagram coast goats And yeah, you can find that link to pre-save in our bio. 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