Jon Benet Part 1

Welcome to Serials and Schemes, a true crime and conspiracy podcast. The hosts, Sam and Sandy, were planning a Christmas episode on the JonBenet Ramsey case, but their previous recordings were corrupted. They discuss the technical issues they faced and their frustration. They provide an overview of the JonBenet Ramsey case, including her background, her family's success, and her involvement in beauty pageants. They describe the ransom note found by JonBenet's mother and the subsequent investigation. The hosts mention the conspiracy theories surrounding the case and express their own interest in them. They also discuss the role of media and public opinion in shaping the narrative of the case. Despite the setbacks, they are determined to continue recording and dive into the details of the JonBenet Ramsey case. Welcome to Serials and Schemes. I'm Sam. And I'm Sandy. This is a true crime and conspiracy podcast. Our podcast is intended for mature audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to Serials and Schemes. I'm Sam. And I'm Sandy. So today was going to be our Christmas episode, but um, um, we've, Sam, I haven't even, I haven't even yet, we've hit some roadblocks with JonBenet. If you follow us on social media, you'll see that we've attempted to record this several times now. Literally, we have tried to, how long was the first one that we tried? It was like three hours. Yeah. And it was, it was an unusable file. Our microphones weren't great then either, though we didn't, yeah. So we initially thought it was like shitty microphones. They were just like literally Alibaba ones. Yeah. And so we were like, okay, yeah. And it was a practice run. It was our very first episode. And we thought, just try and get in the rhythm of things and see if podcasting is even for us. Yeah, exactly. And so we just dismissed that and we're like, cool, we can use this for Christmas. And we had actually recorded a two-parter for Christmas and, um, with nice new quality, good quality microphones apparently. And with our, our laptop system, same as it always is. And we tried to record part one and then we saved it. And then we tried to record part two and we saved it. And then we went on from that. We went and recorded two other cases. Yeah. And when Matt went to edit our JonBenét episodes, absolute, like, devastation. Literally, like, it's only been, the files were corrupt completely. Yeah. And like, it's not like our, like the mics were not loud enough or there was like, our voices were like completely distorted. They literally sound like aliens, like, like what you would expect alien, like, you know, what we see in the movies. It was, yeah, it was weird. But then the episodes that we recorded straight after were completely fine. Literally. So like, yeah, there was nothing different. The computer was not moved. Everything was completely the same. And we toyed with the idea that the computer may have overheated, but like, it was the first episode we recorded that day. This is our final recording day for last year. Yeah. And so we were like, cool, we'll do three cases, but four episodes, you know, that'll be up for our break. And I actually do remember, like, I do remember when we were, when we went to open our software, it didn't actually work for JonBenét. Yeah. But that was after we had recorded because Matt had got it all set up for us. And so we were able to record his, like, you go ahead and record. So he'd got it all set up. We started recording. It was when we went to save it. And then we recorded the second one. And then all of a sudden it popped up on both and said, hasn't been saved. Yeah. We can't save because you have to update your program. And we were like, what? But then it had saved. If we went into program, it said, no, it was saved. And so we were just like, sweet, save done. Don't worry about it. And I think the first one, yeah, it was all corrupted and sounded robotic-like. And the second one, I think it looked like it was empty. Like, even though we knew there was an hour and a half on there, it would look like it was empty. Like there was nothing. Oh, I think that was the second one. Because the first part, you could hear us, but our voice was bouncing around. Yeah, that's right. Super strange. Super robotic as well. But yeah. It was just heartbreaking, actually, because we spent a lot of time. And not only that, from the first episode, we refined sort of our script. And our Yeah. And we were a lot more comfortable and a lot more informative in this second one that we tried. This is our now third time. Yeah. And honestly, guys, if this doesn't work, abandoned. It's done. You're getting whatever we record today. If we sound like aliens, my apologies. Yeah. If it's just getting brain rot, just give us a stream and don't even listen to us. Just pretend you can understand. Yeah. We've like saged the room, which sounds a little bit like about but I just think we don't want us to do this. It's just the cookie shiz. Yeah, this is my room reveal shiz. If I sage the room, I want my crystals and I'm really hoping that that is enough. We've done a few that you've you've done your cookie stuff. I've done my cookie in Jesus name. I did it. Yeah, you did that. So we feel like we've covered our bases. And we'll see. We're about to see. So this is a case that everyone would know about. So today we're covering a case that has remained in the spotlight for nearly three decades. The tragic murder of six year old JonBenet Ramsey. Yeah, JonBenet's case is one of the most well known unsolved mysteries in America. It took place on December 25th of 1996, when the young beauty queen was found dead in her family's Boulder, Colorado home. The case has captivated the public with its twists, turns, and so many conspiracy theories. But as with any high profile case, it is complicated, and it has sparked a lot of debate over the years. You said about the conspiracy theories, and while there are a lot, some of them were right. Like my mind runs with some of those conspiracy theories. Girl, me too. Speaking of those conspiracy theories, that is why episode didn't fucking work out last time, I think. Dude. I don't even know which one. I don't know which one is the reason that it didn't work out last time. I assume the second one, because I was so definitive on my theory, and I felt like I was really pushing my theory too. So I feel like the second one is haunted. Well, we'll soon find out. Hopefully they don't fuck with that bullshit. So today we're going to unpack the details of JonBenet's murder, go over the key theories about what happened, and discuss the conspiracy theories that have sprung up around the case. We'll also be looking at how the investigation was handled, and why even after all this time, so many people are still obsessed with what happened to her. We're also going to examine the role of the media, public opinion, and even the influence of pop culture on the case. So if you guys are ready, let's dive in. Before we get into any details, let's take a step back and talk about JonBenet herself. Born on August 6, 1990, in Atlanta, Georgia. JonBenet was a vibrant and talented young girl who quickly captured the hearts of those around her. At a young age, she moved with her family to Boulder, Colorado, where her father John Ramsey was a successful businessman, serving as the president of Access Graphics, a computer systems company. Her mother, Patsy Ramsey, was a former beauty queen herself, having won the title of Miss West Virginia in 1977. Patsy's love for pageantry naturally extended to JonBenet, who began competing in beauty contests at an early age. JonBenet's charm, poise, and talent earned her multiple titles, including Little Miss Colorado and Colorado State All-Star Kids Cover Girl. To her community, she was a budding local celebrity, admired for her charisma and stage presence. Beyond the pageants, JonBenet was a loving daughter and sister with an older brother, Burke, who was nine at the time of her death. She was known for her playful personality, love of singing, and creativity. She was known for her playful personality, love of singing, and creativity, traits that endeared her to friends and family alike. The Ramseys were a well-known family in Boulder. Jon's business success afforded them a luxurious lifestyle, including a large Tudor-style home in one of Boulder's most affluent neighborhoods. Patsy, on the other hand, was known for her social presence and dedication to her children, often organizing elaborate events and holiday celebrations. In many ways, their family seemed to epitomize the American dream, with appearances in the community bolstered by their outward charm and success. Patsy was instrumental in shaping JonBenet's pageant career, investing hours into sewing costumes, choreographing routines, and traveling to competitions. This close bond between mother and daughter created a dynamic where Patsy's pride and JonBenet's accomplishments shone through. However, the family's visibility also brought a level of public scrutiny, especially after JonBenet's life was tragically cut short. JonBenet's life was not just about pageants. Behind the sequins and crowns, JonBenet was a bright and curious six-year-old who enjoyed the same simple pleasures other children her age enjoyed. She loved attending kindergarten, where she excelled socially and academically. She was well known to her classmates as a friendly and lively presence. Music was another passion. She loved to sing and often performed songs around the house. Her parents described her as sweet, playful, and full of life, a little girl who adored Christmas and all the magic that came with it. The Ramsey household was bustling around the 1996 holiday season. Patsy had gone all out with the decorations, as was her tradition, and the family had recently returned from a Christmas party at a friend's home. The children JonBenet and Burke were eager with excitement over the gift under the tree and the joy of the season. The stage seemed set for another picture-perfect holiday for the Ramseys. Now, let's get into the events leading up to the death, or rather, the discovery of it. In the early hours of December 26, 1996, the serenity of the night would be shattered. Around 5.30am, Patsy discovered a ransom note on the staircase, claiming JonBenet had been kidnapped. What had begun as a peaceful holiday season would soon turn into one of the most infamous unsolved cases in American history. Right, so on the morning of December 26, 1996, Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note in their home, demanding $118,000 for JonBenet's return. It is actually important though to note that this amount was the exact sum of JonRamsey's Christmas bonus from his job. That detail led many to wonder, was this an inside job? Was the writer familiar with the family? It was these strange details that set off alarm bells early on. Handwriting analysis of the note became a major focus of the investigation, and while experts couldn't conclusively identify the author, some believed the handwriting bore similarities to Patsy Ramsey's. Yeah, and Patsy quickly found herself under a microscope. From her demeanour during police interviews to her public statements, critics argued that her behaviour didn't align with what people expect from a grieving mother. Some investigators noted that her emotional responses seemed exaggerated or inconsistent. But of course, grief is unpredictable, and it's impossible to determine guilt or innocence based solely on someone's behaviour in a time of crisis. True, but then there was the handling of the crime scene, which turned what should have been a meticulous investigation into what some have called a perfect storm of errors. When police arrived at the Ramsey home on the morning of December 26, 1996, they initially treated the case as a kidnapping rather than a murder. Friends and family were allowed to roam the house freely, potentially contaminating evidence. And when John Ramsey later found JonBenet's body in the basement, he picked her up and carried her upstairs, a heartbreaking moment but one that further compromised forensic evidence. And the autopsy provided even more questions than answers. JonBenet had suffered a severe blow to the head, but that wasn't the cause of death. She was strangled with a garrote fashioned from a piece of cord and a broken paintbrush handle, which investigators determined came from Patsy's art supplies in the house. These details pointed to an intentional, deliberate act. Adding to the complexities, there were indications of possible sexual assault, though the evidence was inconclusive. What became clear was that whoever committed this crime was not in a rush. They had time, or at least enough familiarity with the home to avoid detection. And this setting investigators down two potential paths. Was this a random intruder or was it someone inside the house that night? The intruder theory was initially dismissed by some due to a lack of, sorry, due to lack of signs of forced entry. They gained attraction years later with the discovery of unidentified male DNA on JonBenet's clothing. On the other hand, those who suspected the Ramseys pointed to the ransom note, the staged nature of the scene, and the inconsistencies in the family's accounts of that night. Patsy in particular remains a personal interest for many, though no charges were ever brought to her or Jon. And we can't forget the role of the media in shaping public perception. The Ramseys faced an unprecedented level of scrutiny. Tabloid headlines painted them as a wealthy, dysfunctional family hiding dark secrets. Every detail, whether it was Patsy's pageant mum persona, or Jon's business success, was dissected and used to fuel theories. It is hard to overstate how much this case captivated and polarized the nation, and that public pressure undoubtedly influenced the investigation. Ultimately, the initial investigation set the tone for decades of unanswered questions and ongoing debates. Missteps in handling evidence, premature leaks to the media, and a relentless focus on the Ramseys overshadowed other potential leads. While the case remains unsolved to this day, the investigation laid bare the challenges of balancing forensic science, media coverage, and human fallibility in high-profile cases like this one. Absolutely, and it's those very challenges that we need to explore more. We'll take a closer look at the theories that have emerged over the years, and the new technologies that have breathed fresh life into this case. Let's talk about the investigation. Early on, the Ramseys were considered suspects, but there was no concrete evidence linking them to Jon Bonet's murder. However, public opinion was quick to turn against them, especially after the ransom note was analyzed. Right, and there's another issue. The ransom note was written on paper that came from the Ramsey household. That immediately raised suspicions. How could an outsider have written it using the family's own paper? And the handwriting doesn't match typical ransom notes we see in other cases. Exactly, and actually, I'm going to read out the ransom note because it consisted of oddly theatrical language. Mr. Ramsey, listen carefully. We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your business, but not the country that it serves. At this time, we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed, and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter. You will withdraw $118,000 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills, and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attaché. Attaché. Attaché. Bag. To the bank. When you get home, you will put the money in a brown paper bag. Why didn't you just take the brown paper bag in the first place? I'm so glad that you said that, because why? Why did you go from attaché to bag? Why would you go from attaché to brown paper bag? Why so specific? I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting, so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money, and hence an earlier delivery pickup of your daughter. What the? I'm sorry, what? How many times do you have to write early in one damn sentence? But also... What? This is how you know they didn't have the technology we have today, because... Can't you just not let this live? I can hardly let it live. Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you, so I advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as police, FBI, etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. What air bubble just fucking erupted from your throat? I just... Every time I read it, I'm like, why is that where they went? Who gives a shit about it? And also, why can't they talk to the stray dog? What did the stray dog fucking do? Also, is it not giving... I'm twirling my mustache for reference, but yeah, see? Yeah, see, John? You know, it's very bad. Yeah. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices, and if any are found, she dies. Don't they know this is 1996? What electronic device were they going to find? Where were they going to get a voice recorder from? Or... Well, Sam, you're fighting off dooboo right now. No, but like, where were they going to get it from? Like, I think they're heading down to the bank. Oh, yeah. There's no time for that. If he's got no time to talk to the police, and he's not allowed to talk to stray dogs, the stray dogs are the ones with the listening devices, so clearly... I feel like this is just like a script set in a fucking spy movie. Yeah. It's like, we watch the movie, and we've got the wording. Oh. Wait, the authorities are under constant scrutiny? That'll certainly only make sense. None of this is going to make sense. Don't try to grow a brain, John. You're quite late there, abductors. He's already had time to grow one. He's also pretty smart with his computer business. Exactly. You are not the only fat cat around, so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John. Use that good southern common sense of yours. It is up to you now, John. Victory. S-B-T-C. That ransom note is the craziest part of this whole thing. And also, we can dissect it a little bit. I wonder, you know, okay, obviously they didn't behead John Bonet, but they did strangle her, which is between the head and her body. I mean, that's valid. And I wonder if, did they call the police? I mean, they obviously did. Yeah. But did she, like, you know, I don't know. If this is some foreign faction of something, and they did take her, did they bring her back dead because... They called the police. The Ramseys called the police. That is an excellent point. That is an excellent point. And it's one we haven't touched on before. But every time we read it, every time we do this case, new things stand out to us. Okay, question. So, Patsy Sisono, that she wrote, she wastes absolutely no time and calls the police. Yes. So you're telling me, though, that... Multiple times in there. But wait, you're telling me that John and Patsy did not run fucking laps up and down that house and didn't see her body. That's right, granted that, like, let's just say that the kidnappers already brought her back and she's already dead because... Yeah. For whatever reason. Okay. You're telling me that they didn't fucking run laps up and down this house looking for their kid? Yeah. Toss beds upside down? Think so. You're telling me that? Would you do that then? I wouldn't, but I also wouldn't notice a note at first. That is a big-ass house, and then you're going to notice, like, the pacer at five o'clock in the morning. At your foot. Yeah. Like, you're just woken up and you're disoriented. Yeah. It just seems too... Something seems fishy. It is. And also, the exact amount of money of John... That is fucking... Is it bonus? It was his, yeah, his end-of-year bonus, I guess. But that was $118,000, and then these... So, it's either, like, an inside job so somebody knows he got that, or it was the Ramseys themselves. I'm, like, low-key actually afraid to, like... I know. ...talk about my theory, because I'm scared this is going to fucking ruin the episode again. But the reality is, is that it doesn't look good as a Ramsey. It doesn't. God rest his soul. That's just my opinion. Not speaking a living dead. No, no. But, like, this is a theory that Sam and I have rocked over a couple of times. I think, personally, and, like, you know, this could be circumstantial, but I feel like Burke Ramsey is an oddball. Yeah. And he was also cast aside from what we could see. Yes. From what we could see. What if Christmas Day? We've had a great time. Kids are excited by the gifts under the tree. John Bonet goes, Oh, you've got a cool toy for Christmas. I want to play with it. And snatches it out of Burke's hands. And then, boom, he clobbers it to the back of the head. That explains the head injury. That didn't kill her. No, yeah. No, no, that didn't kill her. Yeah. And then parents went out like, fuck. But it could have knocked her out, and they think she's dead. Yes. What if they try to look for a pulse, but they didn't know where to look really, and they couldn't find the pulse? It was 1996. They were dumb back then. Exactly. But I don't know. The whole thing, like it says, the perfect storm for fucking Aries and all this shit. What if Burke hurt her sister? Parents assumed she's dead. Patty's going, I'm not losing another fucking child. So they- Not that she cared about that one. Not that she cared about that one, but she doesn't want to lose another child. She's grieving one already. She doesn't want to grieve another. Yeah. So what if she went out of her way, let's say, her and John Bonet? They go, all right, fuck, we don't want our son to be in the system forever as a murderer. We don't want him to get locked up in an asylum. Or he goes to juvie, and then he goes to prison. Yeah. So we'd stage this so it looks like someone took a nap to her. Let's watch three 1920s gangster films and write the fucking ransom on my own- How tired did they look in the morning? That's what I want to know. 30 inch? How tired did they look in the morning? Does it look like they've been up all night watching movies? Yeah, I mean, I don't want to get into that yet because I feel like maybe in the next episode we'll talk about that. About the bowl of pineapples. Yeah, I think we talk about that in the next one, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I can see that. So he does that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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You're going to try and switch up the handwriting, but it's going to have similarities because you can't just magic some different writing. I don't know about you, but like a letter that long, a note that long. Which brings me to my next point. A woman wrote that fucking note. A hundred percent. Men are straight to the point. That's it. What is her fucking, she's all over the bloody place. And this is kind of giving like my mom typing into Google what to do. And it's about three essays long. But also like, you know, as a, I don't know about you Sam, but as a woman, when I'm like telling a man something, I like really emphasize their name. I emphasize words to make them understand this is what's going to happen if you don't do this. Yeah. Not that I'm toxic, but you know what I'm saying? Well, anyway, but you know, like it's, it's, it's the John. Not the new face hat. John. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know. It does feel like a woman. It feels very, um, mansplaining, but from a woman. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's womansplaining, but, but it's, but, but it's more mansplaining. It's the, look, you're a little bit stupid. So just let me explain this to you. And now let me explain it again. Cause I don't know if you've got it the first time, but men just wouldn't write like that. But then it also starts out with we, and then in the middle it goes, I, I will do this. I will do this. And then at the end, it goes back to we. Yeah. Also kind of the perfect crime. If you wrote the random note with the stationary from the house. Yeah. And if you tried to mimic the handwriting of Patsy. And to be fair, yeah. Where they, wherever they got the paper from would have had some shit that she's written. They didn't have computers back in those days. And I'm just joking. I was like, are you serious? Hold on. Where did John Patsy work? This is a lie because they didn't have computers in 1996. They didn't even have anything. They didn't even have color TV. It's a miracle that they had colored photos. You don't, they didn't even take, they didn't take photos of the crime scene. Didn't they have a sketch artist come and sketch the crime scene? Yeah. And then they must have coloring and pencils. No, they didn't have color back then at all. That's not like kids. Didn't the world see even black and white? My parents literally asked me what it was like to live with, live in the black and white. And I was like, do you mean on the TV? They were like, like everywhere. And I was like, wait, you think that we didn't have fucking color anywhere? They were like, well, we've seen the photos. The photos were black and white. Motherfuckers. When do you think that color just got added into our world? She'll give me a fucking dinosaur. It's a weird gray grass. Brent asked me what it was like to have a horse and carriage. I was like, we were poor, mate. We didn't have a horse. And she was like, oh, how did you get to school? Goddamn down the river. The fuck is your problem? You just want to say that's your DNA. That's yours. Yeah. And that's to be fair. That's probably, it's probably more than her fault. But yeah, obviously you can hear our stance on this note. Like, it's fucking, like, it's fucking dumb. The way it's written is so dumb. And who the fuck is FBTC? No such group has ever been found to exist. Who the hell is, but they're a group of individuals. I'm like, that could stand for some, like, four people's names. But also that would be dumb. Why would you do that? Why would, if you're going to do that sort of shit, you may as well just put your name, address, phone number. Because if you are a group of people that are commonly seen together with the initials starting with FBT and C, I mean. Wait, should we look at one of his friends? Like, do we, do any of the initials match up? Honestly, I think after almost 30 years, someone has probably thought about that. You are right. Although the Colorado cops seem pretty fucked up. I just want to say that, like, they've literally been people traipsed around that house in an active investigation. Whether it's kidnapping or murder. Either way, people have left fingerprints. And also, but also, like, let's say, let's say, okay, let's say, let's say it's a kidnapping. Let's say kidnapper returns to the house of one of their friends, for example. They can now add and take away any fucking thing. Because if the cops want to walk through the house, you think they're searching them on the way out? Yeah. No. Just like, perfect storm. Like, the police were actually just the error. They were the error. Realistically. From start to finish, they fucked everything up. That is not how you treat an active investigation. And whether it was a kidnapping or a murder, it was an active investigation. A child has gone missing. And no one comes into the house. We all know that, like, in every missing case, every police officer knows there is a really, like, good chance they're not going to find this kid. Do you know what I mean? Like, in that sense. So, like, if you know that going in, like, in most cases, I treat it as such. Missing cases, I treat it very severely. Yeah. No one should have been going into the house. That's an active crime scene. There's no other way. If a child was abducted from their home, it's an active crime scene. Yeah. So the first thing you're doing is getting everyone out and working out how somebody got into the house. Like, they didn't even start with that. No. And it's like, we can say what we want, it's like, in terms of our theories about Patsy and Burke and whatever. The police don't do their fucking jobs. That's actually, like, the bottom line as well. Yeah. Oh, I can't. It actually fucking irritates me so much. Yeah, it does. So, as we've seen, John Bonnet Ramsey was more than the pageant queen so often depicted in headlines. She was a vibrant young girl with a loving family and a promising future. But the events of that Christmas night in 1996 marked the beginning of a mystery that has endured for decades, leaving a family shattered and a nation captivated. In our next episode, we'll delve further into the details of the investigation that followed her tragic death. We'll discuss the initial police response, the critical mistakes that may have compromised the case, and how the intense media scrutiny shaped public perception. From theories about intruders to suspicions closer to home, we'll explore the conspiracies and unanswered questions that continue to surround John Bonnet's story. Join us as we unravel the layers of this haunting case, one that remains as compelling as it is heartbreaking. Until then, thank you for listening, and we'll see you next time on Serials and Schemes. Bye. 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