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My name is Tanvir, as my partner said before, and I'll be talking about some interesting facts about David Milgaard. At the rightful age of 16, David Milgaard was wrongly convicted for a tragic rape and murder of Gullah Miller. This tragic incident occurred in him spending a 23-year behind bars, and it's very important because of some of the facts and evidence I will be presenting to you in this podcast. And it's just a very important incident that my partner will be continuing now. So, as my co-worker said, we're going to be talking, and as I already said that too, we're going to be talking about this case. So, first I want to start off by like asking people and asking my co-worker, what as like persons, not as the case or people that study the case, like what do we think about 20 years behind prison just for a wrongful conviction? Like we agree that one year, it's a lot of time, but imagine 23 years plus being convicted at 16, at the age of 16. So, yeah, at that time you might feel you're tough, but trust me when you go there and like when you are in there, you're not tough anymore. There is bad, actual bad people in there. So, I'm going to be giving the mic to my co-worker to see his opinion, and let's see. So, David McGregor was 16 when he went to jail. At the age of 16, he was supposed to be in high school, studying and learning, and getting ready to go into his final year of high school and graduating to college or university for his future endeavors and plans. And his parents must have been very devastated when they found out about this news and when he was convicted. And since he's 69 now and he has passed away from pneumonia, the tragic case of pneumonia, he was very dedicated to helping other people, people getting out from wrongful convictions and helping others that have gone through what he's gone through. Because when you have gone through something like that, it's very hard to not do anything about it after you've been freed. You have to help others and continue what you started. And it's very hard because after you've gone through a scenario like that, and he has, he has been very dedicated to helping others, helping family members or whoever that comes to him, and generally just likes to help and continue his cause. And after he died, he has applied this message to others. And I'll be handing my partner this mic. So now that we all have a little of context, we know what we're talking about. Probably most of you know what we are talking about because it was a really important case in Canada. But well, now you have the context, now you know basically what we think, what we've seen, what we did search up. We're going to be talking about some quotes he said because as we said, after 23 years, he was able to be free, so go out. And basically as he lived all that experience, he used to tell to his lawyer, like I did nothing wrong, it's not me, it's not me. And obviously we don't trust people. So as we said, you won't really trust people that have been convicted of murdering and rape. Because yeah, we normally believe that people that are on those trails is always bad. They are most of the time bad people. But there is also these cases where people was just like a normal person doing normal stuff, and they from one day to another end up in jail. So this is really important because as he said in one of his most important quotes, this could happen to you, this can happen to anyone. He was doing nothing wrong, he was studying, he was doing all this stuff to be able to go to college, to follow his plan. But from nowhere, he just ended up in a trail waiting for a judge to say that he was going to be 23 years in prison. And even he saying like I did not do that, I did not commit it, people wouldn't trust him or believe him. So this just shows how bad this could go for someone's life. Being in jail at 17 is a serious thing. And spending 23 years of your life, like in that time you can study, you can get your diploma. Like he would graduate, he would even have a job, but he was in jail. While everyone next, like his friends, his family, they were having a life, a normal life, having jobs and all that, he was in jail. So yeah, this just talks and shows how hard and bad these problems could go if we don't try something to fix it. And now with my co-worker, I'm going to pass the mic to Tanvir. Hi, and some of the quotes that we'll be talking about are, one of the first quotes is, people don't have much love and care behind those walls. And the quote's very symbolic because this symbolizes how much he was worried and how much he didn't know about prison. And just thinking about him made him have goosebumps. And he wouldn't have much love and care. So the people inside of those wouldn't care about him because everybody's just doing their own time and wants to get out. But not everybody's David Milgaard. Not everybody has been wrongfully convicted of rape and murder. So this is a very important and crucial part of when he came and his first steps and his first looks in his 23 years in a cubicle, a 4x5 cell. I'll be handing my microphone over to my partner Samuel and he'll be talking about the next quote. So if we see this case, we could relate it to some book we read a few months ago that was called Monster. Basically, Monster was a book about a kid that was inside a store. And when he was inside, there was a robbery and a murder inside the store. So from that point, we can already relate the murder that was done in David Milgaard's case. But also, he was just there, present. There was no other proof that actually proved that he was there also helping people to rob the store. So he was brought to jail at also the age of 16, 17 years old. The same as David Milgaard's case. This is a book. David Milgaard's is a real story, real life story. So even if in a book the story sounds hard, imagine in real life knowing that someone really had to go through that. And this happens all around the world. It just happens everywhere. It can happen everywhere and it can happen to anyone. So this relates to what I'm telling you. The age, the way they were treated. And he said in one of his quotes, the life in prison is something you don't want to live. Because it's something that marks you. Those bad experiences that leave a mark there, that's the same way with a prison life, almost. And it's just hard to think about it and just watch how your life might end up because of a wrong conviction. Because remember, you're going to be sharing a cell, like your new house is going to be a prison. So you're going to be sharing that space with actual grown people, actual people that murdered, raped and all that. And remember that in prison, most inmates that are convicted of rape, they end up murdered. Because rape in prison is something real. And right now I'm going to hand the mic to my co-worker, Tanvir. And I'll be asking some questions to my interviewee. Would you help? And my first question for you is what if I told you that somebody went to jail for rape and murder? I think that's a good reason to be convicted because they should spend their entire year putting someone's life in danger by raping them. And also what if I told you that David Milgaard was a white male and spent 23 years behind bars and he was wrongfully convicted for these crimes? I think that he's getting framed for someone else's mistakes or actions. And he shouldn't be spending 23 years, basically most of his life, in jail for someone else's actions. Thank you for those answers. And my final question for you is what would you think and what would you feel if you were in his position? I think that I would feel pretty upset and defended that I'm getting framed for something that I didn't do. And I'm spending my life trying to prove myself innocent. And no, I wouldn't like that. Thank you very much. And for my final part in this podcast, some final things I would like to say is thank you for listening with me and my partner. Thank you for listening to the wrongful conviction of David Milgaard. And I hope you understand the importance of being wrongfully convicted for something you have never done before. And my partner can finish his podcast by saying... So remember, this was the case of Daniel Milgaard's wrongful conviction. You can just search it up if you want more info. If there is a lot more stuff, you can just go find out. If you're interested in the case, you can just go look for more info. Otherwise, subscribe, give a like, and we'll be back soon with another episode and case of wrongful conviction. Thank you very much for listening.