EP26 Beyond The Brink Universal Basis Income, Do We Need It How Do We PAY For It

The host introduces the show "Beyond the Brink" and discusses the topic of universal basic income (UBI) and the potential impact of artificial intelligence on jobs. They highlight the need to consider the possibility of job automation and the importance of exploring the promises of UBI, future of work, and economic strategies for wealth and security. They also mention the use of AI technology for conversation and the responsibility in its usage. The host mentions some arguments in favor of UBI, including poverty alleviation, simplicity and efficiency, and social justice. Can you fix that, please? Right. You know. Trying it again, guys. Let's see. Yeah, this isn't going. Might be going. Excellent connection. Holy smokes. There we go. There we go. Perfect. All right. If everybody can hear me, welcome to Beyond the Brink, the show that explores the global events that are pushing people to their limits and driving them to the brink of change. I'm your host, Melissa. My friend Simon here is filling in for Christy tonight. Now before we kick things off, let's hear from all you Austin viewers out there. If you happen to be listening in on YouTube or Rumble, show us some love by subscribing to our channel and hitting that Like button. Apparently, this helps us get the show out to a wider audience. And for those of you that are joining us on the X basis, if you'd please share this stream out so that we can get a few more people in here for this discussion. And I also wanted to take the time to tell all of you that are supporting our channel that we appreciate you so much. We thank you for all your love and support. And for those of you that are just catching us for the first time, you can catch all of our previous episodes by visiting our website at vetoedbroadcastnetwork.com. Or we even are on the podcast software, your popular podcast software. Just search the handle at VEDA Broadcast. So Simon, I wanted to dig into today's topic. Let's go. Today, we're diving into a topic that's reshaping the very foundations of our society. And that is the case for the universal basic income. And then through my research on this today and my chatting back and forth with Ryan, we talked about the jobs that possibly AI will take over. And then my burning question, and probably many of you, how the heck are we going to pay for that? And as technology advances at an unprecedented rate, the shadow of the automation and artificial intelligence that's looming over our job market, what's going to happen with our traditional jobs, our traditional employment, as this AI becomes more and more sophisticated? And I just wanted to say, for those of you that are popping in and deciding whether you want to listen to this show or not, and you're thinking, oh, UPI, I don't have to worry about that. I have a secure job. I'm higher level. I got a degree, yada, yada, yada. Ask yourself, will your job be affected? Do you think your particular job is immune to that possibility? And we're going to explore a few of those questions. And so join us as we delve into the promises of the universal basic income, the future of work, and the economic strategies that could redefine the way that we think about wealth and security in the years to come. That part right there. I love that part. Strategies of wealth. Oh, I love that. I like that part. I want to see where that goes. Yeah, right? No, I mean, so as I was looking through, I came across a post today. Oh, we got a request here. Let's see. Robert Jeffrey, I just approved you. Welcome to the show. Long time no hear, no talk. Glad to see you. So let's see back where I was, if I can see Simon's face. So I was looking around, and I was thinking about this whole universal basic income. And I came across the post. There's the proletario, otario person on X. And he posts a lot of provocative questions. He makes some pretty awesome statements. And one of his posts had to do with universal basic income. So I decided to look into it a little bit more myself. And hey, Robert Jeffrey, how are you? I'm good. How are you doing? I'm good. And I just realized that I need to not have my sound coming through my other monitor. So let's hold on here. There we go. I think that's better. So yeah, welcome to the show. Yeah, I was just trying to catch up. It's been a long time. All right. It's been a while, so I thought I'd see what was going on. Yeah, I appreciate you coming. Very nice. If you have any questions, if you have any questions. Aladdin told me to get on the phone. Aladdin told you to get on the phone? Yeah, from Black Rock. Right. We've touched on that before, haven't we? I remember that. I remember that all too well. All right. I'm not sure where AI is. I think they want to tell us it's further along than where it really is. But that's just a herd of sheep where they're going. I'm not saying that it's, you know. This is going to be an interesting discussion for you, Robert, because I think it's pretty far along, actually. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. So yeah, get your notepad out and start writing down some questions. Because as we go, I think that you might even have a little bit of pushback on some of the things that I'm going to present here. And I think this will be a really good conversation. Awesome. All right. So I'm going to start. If everybody would mute yourself. I'm getting a little bit of feedback here. So the case for universal basic income. So Simon, I was putting in, I put in, I used GPT, OK? Because I have, I admit, there we go. We're talking about technology. And so I decided I'm going to use Chat GPT. Let's see what this thing is all about. What can I do with it? And so rather than read another one of Ariel's posts, and I realized kind of some of his format seems to be AI-esque, so to speak, providing information out there and provoking conversation, which I think is fantastic and a good way that we can use this technology. Because it does actually have pull information, as Robert just mentioned, the Aladdin software, much like they use that for the financial sector and accumulating all of that data to predict. There's also these technologies out there that pretty much are housing much of what's been on the internet over the several years and what's been uploaded into databases and that sort of thing and coming up with answers. Now, when you put things in there, it doesn't necessarily always give you the right answer, right? So we need to be responsible when we use these tools. But I think that we can use it to have conversations with each other and get our thinking caps on and get us having a conversation about these topics that I think are really important. So what do you think about that, Simon? I would agree with you that any new tool has a good purpose, multiple good purposes. But one person's good purpose is another person's improper or bad purpose, right? So I know, I remember on the AI, Elon Musk was at, I don't know what, he was at an event, a global level event, right? And he said, we have to be very careful with this AI. And you could hear the concern and kind of that responsibility tone that he was really kind of coming at. And I don't follow Elon too much or anything like that. That's a whole different arena. But it was very interesting to hear and see that from a, I'm going to use a world leader, but that might be a little pushing it, calling him a world leader. But he does play in the upper tiers of our existence, our society. So for him to say that, that is probably, he's not the only one in that sandbox that is thinking that, that is going, whoa, hey, super rich man that nobody knows over there in the corner, I hear your idea, but we got to talk about this. You're going way too fast and those types of things. So back to my statement, I think there's great things that can be utilized with AI, but it's just the responsible part, where it can go, how is it applied, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. No, I agree with you on that. I was trying to make my point. If you had AI right now, it could just do it for you. OK. A side note on AI, OK, to all of my Marvel fans out there, Iron Man's Jarvis. Everybody wants a Jarvis. Jarvis is an awesome, awesome digital butler kind of person thing. I want a Jarvis. I think that'd be way cool in that type of capacity. What is a Jarvis? I don't know what that is. Oh, dude, you got to go back and watch all the Iron Man movies, man. One day, at least watch Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2. And you'll be like, Jarvis is actually pretty cool. I've never watched any of those kind of movies. I know. I know. That's it. I'm flying out to Michigan. It's bad. It's bad. Tell your man to get a whole bunch of popcorn, ice cream, and chocolate syrup. We're going to have a weekend. I need to do that, really. I haven't been able to actually focus myself on it and really get into the swing of it with those kind of movies. I get why. I've totally backed off completely from a lot of any movies, really. Kind of the Avengers was my last kind of movies that I looked forward to. And that's a whole other topic. But I'm just saying, I really pulled away from that point. I was already pulling away. But those are ones that kind of were my last, I'll go see this, I'll go see this. But now, I don't know. But the Jarvis, Iron Man's Jarvis, Tony Stark's Jarvis, yeah, yeah. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, I'm hyped on that. You give me one of those, I'm in. OK, well, welcome, Mattis, for stopping by the show. Welcome to Beyond the Brink. Tonight, we're talking about universal basic income and the potential for AI to kind of assume some of the jobs. And then, finally, we're going to touch on how are we supposed to pay for this thing. So getting back to the chat GPT thing, I wanted to touch on this as just the arguments of the proponents for UBI, universal basic income. And so here are some commonly cited reasons in favor of implementing a universal basic income. So I kind of want to read them all, and then maybe we'll discuss, OK? The first reason is poverty alleviation. And it says UBI is seen as a direct and effective way to alleviate poverty by providing a basic income floor for all individuals, ensuring that everyone has enough to cover their basic needs. OK, that makes sense. Two, simplicity and efficiency. UBI simplifies the social welfare system by replacing various targeted programs with a single straightforward payment. And this can reduce bureaucracy and administrative costs associated with mean-tested programs. Number three, they have social justice. It promotes social justice by addressing income inequality, provides a basic standard of living for all citizens, helping to bridge the wealth gap and reduce disparities between different social economic groups. Four, now, I know some of you already are listening to this and thinking, BS, this is for people that are lazy. Or I'm noticing terms already right away where they're talking about the equity and things like that, all these terms that get people fighting and arguing over. But I want you to just listen to these reasons that they have for this universal basic income and think about them. And then as we go into the jobs that are potentially going to be replaced by AI, and I just want people to look at things in a little bit different light than maybe they do on the surface, right, on a surface level. Because the surface level, it's really easy to dismiss these things. But it would behoove you not to do that. And this is my opinion only. I do not speak for Christie. Christie is part of this Beyond the Brinks show. And if she was here, she may have a different opinion than I do. And when we come back, when she comes back, she'll give her opinion on it as well. And I'm sure Simon and all of you in here will have your opinions. And welcome to share those. So I just want to continue on going through. So I did say the social justice one, right? I've already done that. Number four, job displacement due to automation. And then with the rise of the automation and artificial intelligence, there are concerns about job displacement. And UBI is seen as a way to provide a safety net for individuals who may lose their job during technological advancement. Number five, they say that UBI can promote entrepreneurship, provide them with the financial security to actually go out there and pursue entrepreneurial ventures and take on risks and invest in their education or skills without the fear of financial ruin. Number six, health and well-being. By ensuring that everyone has a basic income to cover essential needs, such as food, housing, and health care, UBI has the potential to improve overall health and well-being. Number seven, we have 10 right now. So I'm on number seven. Encouraging unpaid work. UBI recognizes and supports unpaid work, such as caregiving and volunteering, which is often undervalued in traditional economic systems. Number eight, stimulating the economy. UBI can act as an economic stimulus by putting money directly into the hands of individuals, leading to increased consumer spending and demand for goods and services. Number nine, adaptability to changing work patterns. As the nature of work evolves with gig economies, that's a keyword there, gig economies and freelance opportunities, UBI provides financial stability in a changing job market where traditional employment models may not apply. And then finally, number 10. And these are just 10 that random pro-UBI from chat BTT, GBB. Human dignity and freedom. UBI is often framed as a way to uphold human dignity by ensuring that everyone has the means to live a basic, dignified life. It provides individuals with more freedom and choice in how they choose their time and their resources. And then in the closing, it says, despite these arguments, it's important to note that there are also criticisms and challenges and the impact on work incentives. And the debate around UBI involves weighing those pros and cons to determine its feasibility, desirability in a given societal context. Now, so when I initially came across that, Ryan and I were talking. Welcome, NFT Solutions. And Kathleen, welcome to the show. Oh, NFT Solutions in the house tonight? NFT Solutions in the house. This is good. Oh, and I got a drink brought to me. Thank you, friend. Hello. Salute on Sunday night. I'll give you five bucks if you slam that right now. I'm just kidding, man, I'm just kidding. For those of you, this is a White Russian. And that is my favorite drink. And not part of the show, but I appreciate having it. Thank you very much. Oh, trust me, if you knew what happens in radio stations all across this country, you'd be like, oh, this is nothing. That's how they get together. Trust me, you're right in line right now. So I was talking to Ryan about it and trying to figure out, I lost my, somehow I lost my Twitters. My Twitters are gone. My Twitters are gone, guys. Let me go to the X. I was, yeah, I should have called it X, shouldn't I have? So we were talking about it. So as we're going through these different things, you know, I started thinking about it. A lot of times, people listen to these types of things and they think, this doesn't apply to me, right? Because I've got a job, I'm already secure, there's no issues with my income. So therefore, I don't need to, you know, I don't need to worry about any of this type of thing. And they tend to think that the, you know, things like universal basic income is really just going to be for people that are, you know, I think that the, you know, I don't know why that's happening. I didn't need to do that. I heard myself in the space. I did too. Yeah, yeah. Sorry about that. It was on my end. I apologize. Oh, was it on your end? Yeah. I went to try to go to X to see who was in the chat or the show, whatever. And it started playing on my end. I was like, oh, no, no, get out of here. Oh, I thought it was. You might not go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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