Ospreys Eyrie: They didn’t want it!

The Ospreys podcast discusses various topics, including the team's recent win, the lack of excitement in Calcutta Cup week, and the Ospreys' celebration of their feeder clubs during Origin Round. They also mention the signing of Hugh Sutton and the contract extensions for Harry Deaves and Dan Edwards. Welcome to the Ospreys Irene. Hello and welcome back to the Ospreys Irene podcast, the podcast that is well and surely engulfed in Island Week. But in all honesty, Island Week has peaked already, with the win on the weekend. Joining me as always is the boys, Robbie, Justin, how are we boys? I'm very good, yeah, it's been a tidy weekend, a quiet weekend, until I heard that a particular Irish and Leinster supporter was back on Twitter. Oh, he's back, I know, I saw him. Yeah, that was the groundbreaking news of Sunday night that was. And yeah, it's been a really quiet Island Week for me, I don't know why, I haven't really gone into it. It's somehow an even quieter Calcutta Cup week as well. Like I've been looking at that and kind of going, why is no one talking about a game people normally get angry about? It's because everyone's still talking about Dan Edwards' drop goal, taking all the energy, all the energy out of Calcutta Cup week. And indeed, it's just repainted Island Week. I think Felix Jones has kind of got the ball rolling by saying he watched like a thousand line-outs this afternoon, so that's slowly building up, so yeah, keeping an eye out for the next day or so. He must be going cross-eyed if he's watching George Turner, he's just going to that all the time, looking at where the ball's going. Oh, yeah, you are seeing origin rounds, round 10, well, origin round for one of the teams that played at the Swansea.com stadium this weekend. 15 or 16 teams. Yeah, 15 or 16, well, I really like origin round, I like it, and Ospreay do a good job of celebrating their feeder clubs anyway. If you can give praise to the Ospreays for something, it's that they've always celebrated the feeder clubs, they always had on the collar 77 clubs in one region and stuff like that. And then, so they rock up, and then they didn't turn up in their origin socks, but everyone else was doing it, and then people say, oh, it's because they're away, Isaac, it's because they can't be fucked. Yeah, it stinks of one of those, like, the sort of thing Clive Woodward did all the time when he was England coach, and we see sometimes where coaches will go, no, actually, we've got to stay, we're a united team, we've got to stay together, we've got to stay as one side, so we wear the same socks, but you know what, just celebrate where you're from, celebrate people. And it does kind of come back to, you know, obviously Dan McFarlane has left, the Grim Reaper of the Ospreays has knocked on that door, and he's gone the way of Jim Mallinder. But it does kind of stink of the rumors that were coming out about the disharmony in the Ulster camp, and how they weren't quite happy, you know, if they're all being forced to wear the same socks rather than be individuals. But maybe I'm reading too much into socks, which wouldn't be the first time. But surely they're contractually obliged to do it. You'd think, yeah. Or maybe they all played for Ulster as kids. They all just came through there. But what, I don't remember actually reading this last week, they mentioned Origin Round a lot in the pre-match build-up, in the, like, text bubbles they post, and they're like, 11 of the 23 came through the Ulster sort of pathway. And I'm like, all right, celebrate that. Let them wear their socks. Yeah, like you said, it just stunk. So yeah, Origin Round was great. And I realized that the Ospreays did have put their junior clubs at the bottom of their jerseys. I had no idea Jack Walsh was from Manly. And now it's, like, if anyone follows Rugby League now, you automatically have to hate Jack Walsh. Because everyone hates anyone from Manly. Because they're awful humans. But he's the only union player to escape from Manly. Yeah. It's sort of like reverse colonialism of Australia. He's been sent over here. But he got sent to Exeter first, so I don't know what the punishment is. Yeah. Go over there and get a shit haircut. Yeah. Although he's got great hair. Yeah. No, yeah. I mean, he's overcome that since leaving. Like, really good. Well, I did actually see Exeter, if we're talking about former Ospreays players, and he'll come up later, is Ethan Roots has shaved a mullet off. He's been in England camp for two weeks. And his mullet's gone. That is Balfour all over, isn't it? Yeah. He's trying to maintain these standards, this professionalism. It's like when Faloteau was told to shave his afro down for aerodynamism reasons. Which I think is where he lost his power. I know he was amazing after that, but 2011 Faloteau with his mullet is peak Faloteau. His performance in the Liberty on one of his first few games of the Dragons, where he was unbelievable. I think it's still the Dragons' only win in the Liberty. In that Oracle Dragons kit as well. Yeah, the yellow one. The bright yellow one. Not a good Dragons kit. Oh, I've got that. I've got that sitting in the cupboard at my mum's. Like Toby Faloteau's one. Yeah. I still fit into it, so it might have been. Justin, how was it at the stadium? Being back at the stadium? Yeah, it was first time in about, well, just under a month. It was nice to be back watching some live regional rugby, I suppose. Well, I haven't watched that much Welsh Premiership actually, Pompey had a few weeks off. So it was kind of like, it was nice to actually go and watch some rugby, I suppose. Yeah, it was good fun. It was a better crowd than what the start of the season was. You know, it's good to see that slowly building again. And it might not have been the greatest game of rugby that I watched, but the last couple of minutes was rather exciting, especially when Kieran Williams nearly gave everyone a heart attack by dropping the ball right at the very end. It would have been fine. The game's over. Yeah. It doesn't matter. If he spilt it forward and also picked it up and then set up a drop goal, then you're thinking, oof, that's unfortunate. But luckily, he got up straight away. So it wasn't that much panic. He just felt like, just don't drop anything, just get off the park. But yeah, he managed to do both, which is rather impressive. Have you ever watched Gaelic football? And the way they bounce the ball on the floor before they can do anything. Yeah, it was like that. It was like he forgot what sport he was playing. And he had a Robbie Henshaw moment. He was like, oh, I'm playing Gaelic football now. Oh my God, can Keith play for like Mayo or something? That would be brilliant. Get him back out there. Actually, get him in the AFL. You remember that show? They did like a show where Shane Williams tried to learn to play Gaelic football. No one watched it. No. It was before we realised how boring a man Shane is as well, when he still had the star power. There's a great one where they send to Hurling Land. I think it's got to be Hurling. Is it Hurling or Cricket? I think they sent to Hurling Land to America to play baseball. They're halfway through their first game and they just chuck the gloves on the side, because they're like, what the fuck would I catch with a glove on? And just proceed to catch it bare handed all the time. You can imagine, he's like a lad who's played county from like Cork. Why have I got a glove on? Right, shall we do the news? Let's start with Hugh Sutton. So Ospreys announced today that English-born second row Hugh Sutton has signed a new contract with Ospreys. We're going to assume it's that same two-year deal that a lot of players have been signing. Hugh, I shall tell you now, he made his debut in 21-22 seasons, made 17 appearances for the team. Picked up an injury this year in the... which game, Justin? I know what his debut was. Zebra? I can answer that question. It might have been Zebra, yes. Was it Zebra? Yeah, it was one of the three. Yeah, it was Zebra O'Connell. Yeah, because that was the Grim Reaper game, wasn't it? Yeah, he played against the Zebra, or Zebra, or whichever you prefer to call them. Yeah, who did he make his debut against, Justin? It was away at Searl in the Champions Cup. Harry Deeves' debut as well. Yes, and obviously... He scored a try. Deeves scored the try, and it was Adam Beard's first game as captain as well, and he was up against Lui Diaga, and it was quite a painful Sunday afternoon. What else was famous about that game? Spawned a million memes. Sam Cross. Sam Cross! Sam Cross coming back out from injury as well. But obviously, Sam Cross took the headlines. Sam Cross with his gas and air on the side, pretending to be stoned out of his mind. It continues to be the greatest thing to come out of that man's career since opening many Aldi's. So many Aldi's. That'll never get old, by the way. It's just Sam Cross. I think it's Josh Gardner who said it with blood on my bones. He was like, imagine you're a little Aldi signing this contract, and you're going to get some Olympians to come and open your stores, and Sam Cross turns up. But what would be worse is James Davis could also turn up. And you're like, are you here to rob us? Or present us with corporate opportunities with the Scarlet Rugby Club. No, he's the talent ID. He's the one who scouts all the players. Is that what he's doing? I knew he had some office job there. No, he's in charge of player recruitment. Oh, wow. James Davis scouted Will Griffith's job. He invented the NFT lad whose name I've forgotten. I've gone completely blank. What's his name? Tame Plumtree. He's got two hats away, and I just completely forgot he had a name. Oh, man, I'm getting old. This is my job. This is my job. Yeah, Hugh Thurton's great news. Harry Deeves as well, since we were last on, and Dan Edwards, also signed new contracts. Deeves and Edwards in two very contrasting videos. You've got Dan Edwards, who's like the CEO's golden boy, doing this training session at Camarvern, and the club goes afterwards. And then seemingly Harry Deeves and Luke Davis on their day off have dragged Lloyd, the videographer, in to film a Twin Tone parody. Do you think these contracts we see them signing, and Dan Edwards, and now Hugh Thurton's signing videos, are the real contracts? No, they're not. They just say, play a contract in big words. And then they've got like the single side of A4 and a line at the bottom. But like, they've told all those kids. Back in black. There's a hashtag on the contract. It was, ironically, it was Ed Jenks who pointed this out on Twitter. And he tweeted last Friday saying, what is this shambolic stuff? Please get these players better agents, or something like that. And I was like, yeah, probably. No, so we both had this to say about Hugh's re-signing. It's great that another young player has trusted us with the future. He is in good hands. Everyone has seen our commitment and success in developing our own, and we're looking forward to seeing it progress in the coming years. Sutton said, it's great to be able to commit to my future at the Ospreys. I've really enjoyed my time here so far. I'm looking forward to contributing to the team's successes and achieving our ambitions. Similarly to Nagy, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the Ospreys and Swansea University for their contributions towards my development. I'm a rugby hipster. I've watched Hugh Sutton since he was at university. He was great. Similar with Nagy. It's just really good to see him kick on. When they both got invited into the squad to train during COVID, because they needed bodies, I was like, yes. And then Nagy made his debut at Dragons. He scored a lovely try for beautiful Alan Wyn-Jones. I think it was either an offload or a short ball. And Nagy, he looked good in that. And then Sutton obviously made his debut, Sail Away. And Udabi. Yeah, and Udabi, Sail Away, or AWOL Nation. But I like Sutton. He's an underrated ball carrier. His meters off the contact is really good. He's clearly watched a load of Adam Beard and liked disrupting balls. There's the hard yards as well. So I just think, yeah, he's just a really, and like Toby said, that commitment to re-signing new young players and putting that face in. It is brilliant. I mean this as a compliment. He is the new Lloyd Ashley. He has the air of someone who could play 100 plus games and just turn up and graft every single week. I mean that as a compliment. I realise it's not as big a compliment as saying he's the new Alan Wyn-Jones. But yeah, he seems like someone who can be a kind of level of club hero by the time he retires. And it's great to see him remaining. Yeah, I get that. Actually, it's probably similar to what you said about Nagy. In that he might never set the world on fire internationally, but he sets the club game sort of alight in what he can do. And he just provides us with that bulk. I think, I was reading a lot of comments about the Ospreay scrum this week. And I think one thing that we don't give enough credit to Toby and Duncan for is, yes, our props are technically great and they're physically strong, but we've always got two lumps in the second row that just push. And a lot of the noise coming out of our neighbours in the West, is their second rows are always quite lightweight. So technique-wise or weight-wise, their front row may be up to it, but there's no weight coming in behind. And as a prop myself, it makes such a big difference having, you know, a lump, a six foot seven lump behind you than having like a flanker. You know, I know James Rath is a flanker, but he's a big guy. You know, and then you've got Victor Sexbom, who's a big guy. Hugh Sutton's a big guy. We've got lumps of lumps. So that really does help. One of the things I've always heard about Adam Baird is he's a deceptively great scrummaging lock. Yes. Oh, fantastic. He's a tight head lock, isn't he? Yeah, he's made the switch over the last year or so. Yeah, I think, yeah, he's a really, really good tight head lock. Yeah, you could see that, that's evident. Robbie, talk us through the Q&A that happened, because I believe you've been reading some accounts. Yeah, so obviously I couldn't make it. Sunday service trains, what they're like. But obviously, before the Ulster game, that's Bradley, our lord and saviour, our overlord, king of the Ospreys, I believe it was his formal job title, had a Q&A about the new stadium with fan supporters, ticket holders. And just some of the kind of key points, I guess, that came up in terms of looking at this new stadium, which is the big talking point, I guess, of Ospreys news in general at the minute. I think the biggest note is they are definitely looking at a plastic pitch, no matter where they go. A 3G or 4G pitch, regardless. So we've seen at the Arms Park lately, you know, it's Connell, it's all over, Newcastle have one, there's plenty of clubs all around, definitely looking at one. Apparently, there's five options they're looking at. Three of them we know being the Knoll, St Helens and Bridgend. Apparently, there's two others. Aberavon isn't one, though apparently someone got very, very angry about that at the end of the Q&A, which is glorious. But the other thing that kind of becomes a sticking point, I guess, starts to break that down, is that they are looking at wanting, ideally, a training centre next to the stadium, which probably puts Clandarcy in as another option, as one of those other two. Yeah, that's been floating around for years, the Clandarcy one, especially with the fact that they've built a whole town, not the Ospreys themselves, but the council have built a whole town behind Clandarcy. It does, it could make sense. Have either of you been to the Ospreys training base at Clandarcy? I've been, yeah, I've been to the academy. So that gym, that training centre, I did a summer of college stuff back in the day, but I decided not to go to college in the end. But yeah, I have been, and the old training rooms as well. So yeah, I have been, and not since they've done it up and got that sort of elite, I say elite, it's still a shed, but it's a nicer shed. Yeah, but that's a Lance Bradley statement as well, it's the last thing he did across the men's as they got a purpose-built training centre built. Yeah. Which had with it, the other thing he built with Gloucester was a conferencing centre, which apparently he said is bringing in Gloucester just over a million pounds a year, and he wants to look for something similar. He said it might not make as much immediately, but there's a market in Swansea for this. Apparently, Swansea council have spoken of not having enough of these. So ideally, they want a hotel as well alongside, an Ospreys-run hotel is a kind of ideal option that they're looking at, which will delight certain people on Rugby Twitter. When you say an Ospreys themed hotel, I'm picturing you go into the room, there's like a canvas print of Rhys Henry on the wall. You go into the bathroom and like, instead of hot and cold, you have like, Justin Timberlake's scrum cap and James Fender's scrum cap as the taps. Taperick, Justin Taperick. If they are going to build an Ospreys hotel, go all in, please. And just make it Ospreys. Like, bring a former player to be the full-time receptionist. I don't care. Just like, give me Andy Lloyd. Bring me Nicky Walker as a full-time receptionist. Nicky Walker's doing the bar. And just hope he's not as slow on the bar as he is running. They could definitely get Paul James to come in and franchise his cafe. Come and put that in, you know, have that as the hotel bar. So that's really interesting. All of the hotel rooms can be named after, like, the number can be a scoreline. So, you know. The shit room is 44 nil. Yeah, you've got to hope they're not in 44 nil, which is shitty track. It's a shed at the back. There's one, as well, where you step in and it is just like photos of everyone falling over. And it's whatever the score was of the Bearets game. You've just got George Clancy denies you access as you try to go into the room. James Huck's a bellboy, but every time he goes to pass you your case, he dubbies you. You just don't get your case. He runs into a wall with it. Oh, this idea has legs, lads. And actually, Ospreys, we know you're listening. I will write this down, that this is gold. But seriously, that having multiple sort of business opportunities and sort of what you can say about that's been a criticism of the Arms Park, is there's not much sort of business opportunities. That's probably offset by how close it is to the city, though. And they've got Westgate Street with the big stadium. I'm not sure the facilities at Dave Parade, I'd argue it's similar. The interesting one is the Scarlett's Ground. It's more similar to what we've got now in terms of it's got opportunities. And in all fairness to the Scarlett, their stadium is generally like a proper business center for local businesses, because it's just, you've got to remember how vast, even further west it is, you know, so actually having that best of both worlds. It's interesting they've got five, and I think I know the other two. So I think Clandarty's one, and I want to say something about that. And I want to say Swansea Bay Business Park. So where, for those who don't know about Swansea, where the bay campuses for the Swansea University around that area, which again, would be great if you're building a new thing, because you've got so much land. It's just a bugger to get to in terms of you can't walk there. So it's interesting. I still think they'll go for a redevelopment. I still think Swain Headlands is the front runner. So they said this, they said they're not looking at a complete new build. It will be redeveloping somewhere, but they intend to redevelop rather than just moving wholesale into, you know, one stadium or another. Again, as you said elsewhere, they don't have 10 million to just build a new stadium. You'll be looking to adapt. And ideally, they want to, you know, own or at least have, they want to be the primary tenants wherever they go, and ideally to own so that they can, you know, as I say, bring in other revenue, which is the way, you know, it's where a lot of rugby clubs have been making their money. Leicester are building a hotel at the minute. Wasps were kept afloat by the casino they owned. That's what kept them going for the last few years. So, yeah, that's, you know, that's the goal, I guess there. London Wells should have been a pizza place attached to their stadium. Periwinkle would have kept them there. Periwinkle would have had them at Saracen level by now. I, for that, before that Sharks game, went to the London Welsh clubhouse because they did like an Osprey supporters club thing there, where I briefly met Guy Griffiths, who apparently watches my videos. I didn't know how to be like, oh, I, you know, I thought you were all right back in the day. So I just sort of nodded and said hi. But I look at that pitch there and all I can think is Gavin Henson played on that. It's the only thought I can have going through my head. And Tom Ascot, you know, good player. But most of that. But yeah, they're looking at, yeah, five year, five year business plan to set everything up. There's the other thing that kind of goes through for all of that. They have been talking to the uni as an option. So I guess that brings up the, you know, your point. But there were rumours that the St Helens redevelopment was being bankrolled by the uni previously and they were interested in doing part of it. And, yeah, so whatever option they're looking to install a new pitch, regardless, the other kind of wrinkle was the decision to move the European sale game to Bridgend was made by the players. That was a player led decision. They asked for it. They felt like it would give them a better advantage than playing at Liberty would. And so they moved it there. And any future games played at home in the European competition this year will be played at Bridgend is the plan, partly because one of them clashes with a Swans game. But, yeah, apparently that has no say of whether they move there permanently or not. He made it clear we're staying in the region. No mergers, no moving to Ealing. The new stadium will be technically within the kind of Australia region. They, yeah, handed out a bunch of forms, questionnaires, they want to take in feedback. Yeah, I believe that's about, you know, what we've seen. Really, the new information was the five options, the hotel and other business stuff, which you probably could have inferred from some of these other options. Oh, and apparently they've been told by TV companies they don't want the null. Apparently that all the broadcasters don't want the null of the option. Because it's too small to get the relevant modern TV equipment in. You can't, yeah. Yeah, the TV trucks are required. They do have the adequate space at Bridgend, but there's just nothing at the null. Yeah. There's no parking whatsoever. The only way the null redevelopment would work is if they bought the cricket club, which is directly behind one of the stands. And you essentially moved that cricket club somewhere else and built over that. So it's, yeah, that's why null wouldn't work. That actually was brought up by, that was one of the reasons the WIU rejected Nii's proposal for UTC, was inadequate facility to TV. Right. And Nii fans were like, but the Osprey stream, the under-18s games, and there's a factor in that is it takes a lot less power to broadcast a game on YouTube, an SOC clip, than it does the URC game to South Africa, Italy, Leinster, you know, England, all that. So, yeah. All right, Justin, any other news? I haven't got any. I've just been watching the game back for the rest of the, for the last couple of days. So I've got... Cool. So, if that's right, let's just go straight into the game then. So the final score, that's another good player. That's for later. I've had good players there. But final score was 19-17 to the Ospreys. Let's have a look at some of the standout stats. So both teams carried the ball under 100 times. It sort of tells you the story of the game, sort of a kicking battle. It didn't feel like a kicking battle. It just felt very attritional. Like we said, it was going to be an attritional game. Ulster turned the ball over 14 times. They could not keep the ball. Let's have a look. The Ospreys were 89% scrum, went off nine of their own scrums. Ulster with 100 off three. Both teams ran the 84-83% line-out win. Ospreys... Wrong stats. Here we are. So Dan Edwards obviously scored 14 points the most of... He was a top scorer around 10. Ulster didn't make a single clean break against the Ospreys. This was the first match of the season that they didn't make a clean break. They talked about that in a pre-game actually. Their backs generally have been a bit on fire this season. Ulster won fewer turnovers than any other team in round two. Ospreys resourced the ball and the break turned really well. And the Ospreys made 110 more carry meters than Ulster on the weekend. That's over 293. So Ulster have been talking a bit about their forward dominance. So to say that action stats probably say that... And Kieran Williams actually will say that the Ospreys forwards just carry more and carry better. Individually, some of the highlights... Justin Tipric and Harry Dee have both made 15-16 tackles each. Kieran Williams and James Rafferty were our top carriers with 15. No surprise there. We said the same last week. Alex Cuspert, Justin Tipric, Giovanni Bossoff... One turnover each and obviously one drop goal by a certain Mr. Daniel Edwards. Justin, let's start with you. You were at the game. Talk me through your emotions from about where Tom Stewart kicks the ball upfield onwards. That's a cracker of 50-22, by the way, that was. You just felt like the ball just slips out of the ruck and I'm thinking, oh, Tom Stewart's picked this up. Is he going to score from a more from about 90-odd meters? Probably not, because that's what all he does. All of a sudden, he puts his boot on the ball and I'm thinking, well, whoops. You just felt like, oh, that was a really big chance of what the Osprey should have taken. Yeah, it just kind of all went rather chaotic from there. The last five minutes, especially, you just felt like Ulster had control. Will Hickey makes a tackle without wrapping around his arms, even though I felt like there was a little bit of a wrap. It's one of those where you think if it goes against your team, you're going to be, oh, that's quite unfortunate. If someone does that to you in the last play, when it's a one-score game, you are screaming at the tally for the referee to get his arm out. But, and you're thinking, you know, Iris is normally well drilled. He should know how to close these games out. Then Tom Stewart gets pinged for obstruction at a rolling mall because he changed his bind on about four different occasions. And you're thinking, you're still thinking then, you know, you've still got about 60-odd meters to the try line. You're thinking you probably need at least 20 meters just to get within goal-kicking range. And you're thinking, you know, with the impact of both benches, you know, Steven Kitchoff is on the bench, like we mentioned earlier, you know, for Ulster. And, you know, the inexperience of the Ospreys then, you're thinking it's going to be quite a tough ask. Ospreys win the free kicks, a tip brick gains a few meters there. And then Jack Walsh puts a really speculative rubber kick through. Obviously, in paying tribute to what Rhys Henry did about 10 minutes previous. And Jacob Stockdale, for some reason, picks the ball up and puts it into touch. I still don't know why he does this. I understand there was probably pressure from Cuthbert behind, which is fair enough, because I don't really want to pick up a ball and see Alice Cuthbert running at me. I'd probably run into touch as well. But it just gave the Ospreys a chance, I'd say, the 22. And the URC Unloaded podcast, which is streamed on YouTube, that thing with Tom Shanklin, John Barkley and Stephen Ferris. Jack Walsh admitted that Dan Edwards called the wrong call. But he set up the drop goal. So it kind of explains why there's the odd forward just standing kind of in the way when the ball goes back into the pocket. But according to Jack Walsh, it was the wrong call. But obviously, if you nail the drop goal like that, there's no wrong call about it. That's definitely the right call. And then the celebrations ensure Nicky Smith runs onto the field of joining on one of the committers' pylons. Yeah, there's that great clip where the kickoff's about to happen and you just see Nicky Smith trundling off, like he's not meant to be on the pitch. Ben Warren single-handedly wins Man of the Match for delaying the kickoff as everyone else is on top. I mentioned that in the pod. And, well, everyone except for Harry Deeds as well, who's just standing there, probably in his position waiting for kickoff, while everyone else is in front of him. And then, well, luckily, the kick of Justin Tiprick was quite safe under the high ball. And that was it. Why did they do... What was that kickoff, by the way? I really don't get it. Terrible! What can they do? Like, the majority of kickoffs you tend to see against the Ospreys, they always kick to that corner because that's where, normally, Kieran Williams is, or when Morgan Morris is playing, it's normally where Morgan Morris is playing. And, obviously, near the end of the game, Tiprick had moved to eight, so he was somewhere around there. But they kicked shorter than that. And, yeah... Because they normally kicked it deep into the 22, into that sort of cropping corner. Because that's where, that's the corner where I used to sit. So I used to sit on... I think that's the east-south corner, isn't it, Justin? To your right. Yeah. And so, normally, like you said, Morgan Morris or Kieran Williams stood there and they would take the ball. And then, so, after this kickoff, you're expecting them to sort of do, like, a squib kick in American football, like, just a genuine, like, a little dink onto the 10-metre line. But they go back to sort of, like, that bit in between. Yeah, it's nothing. It was really weird to look at Tiprick's opposition because you normally see the eight a little bit further back, like, kind of, like, in line with Kieran Williams's. And Tiprick was a bit further forward. Maybe because, previously, Ulster stuck up a restart where Satete takes it, where it was relatively short. So maybe that's what Tiprick is trying to counteract. And it just landed perfectly in his hand. So it was a win-win situation, really. Then Kieran Williams dropped the ball and kicked it out, and that was it. What a day. What a game. What a moment. Just, like, I... What was the focus of your emotions going through the game? Oh, mostly shouting. If anyone listened to the... I did a World Cup Retrospective party thing every day. And we recorded that first thing in the morning, the day after. And my voice is still hoarse on that podcast. I screamed a lot. I shouted a lot at that final whistle. It was superb. It's kind of... Look, if we ever come to do, like, a World Cup of finding a way, um, that game is right up there for me. It was one of the most Toby Booth-era Ospreys performances, in terms of the way they dug in. They had no right to win that game from so many perspectives. You look at... You know, I don't have the stats in front of me, but the sheer number 22 entries Ulster had, they should have been coming with point after point. And they managed two tries, and that was a lot. One try in either half, and then a Hail Mary penalty from their own half in the dying minutes because they were behind. And the way they held them out, you know, Dave holding John Andrew up over the line, and then countless turnovers and kind of heroic moments in that 22, all leading to eventually, you know, the Kieran Williams try, which is phenomenal. Jack Hall's reading that, the offload of Williams to keep it alive, as Booth points that post-match. The really pleasing thing is if you look at... Obviously, there's... Is it McIlroy gets back and makes a tackle on... Dan Edwards? It was Ethan McIlroy. Yeah, who my mum is convinced I'm related to, but that's a whole other thing. The next, like, 10 bodies flooding in are all Ospreys players, because they've all got up in support, and they've all worked, and they've all got forward. And, you know, a bit similar to the... I think another game that would come up in that, you know, World Cup, if I think of a way, the Leicester game, where you've got the Kieran Giles try out defence. And it's something that's really pleasing and really exciting out of this team. And I think they kind of put all of it together in a performance without any of the Wales players, without any of the kind of big names. Obviously, Tipperitt was back, which is fantastic. But it was a younger team with two players who'd literally met the squad like five days earlier. And I just thought in terms of, you know, I mentioned on the podcast last week, but I feel this team's come a long way in terms of learning to close out games since that Glasgow match at the start of the season. And I think that showed it. I think the way they found a way to get back into it and nail that drop goal, Dan Edwards' composure is something that I think in some ways we've missed at times over the last couple of seasons. And him having that on his fourth game, his fourth start is incredible. Just completely blown away by it and love it. And I love watching this team more than anything else in rugby. And it's such a joy. And seeing them pull that out is a game I remember for a very, very long time. I, so I watched this guy, I was travelling back from Berkshire, back into London with my partner. And so this game kicked off at three. I was at, where was I? I was just getting on the train at the Farringdon in London. And my, so the first 28 minutes, obviously no one scored a point. I think that was a bit of a kick. And I was like, all right, it's going to be one of them games. So I was sort of half paying attention. And then I just kept getting more and more shouty. And I try not to be, especially when, like with ref decisions and stuff. And I was like, I don't want to say it to you, but I cannot work this ref out. Like I cannot work at like what his sort of style is. And I couldn't work it out of common sense either. And it got to, so we go down to 30. And we'll talk about the other cards in a minute. So we go down to 30 and I'm like, shit, right. So they score off that more, Tom Stewart scores. And I'm like, game is done, game. I probably, I think I said it in the chat. I said, I think Robbie, you said something similar. No, you said, actually, you said they could come back. Yeah, it's an uphill struggle, but I don't think this is beyond us. So then we do really well to get down the field with 14. And then Tom Stewart puts that kick in. And then it's just one of those days where it wasn't going to be a 50-22, but Jack Walsh had no choice but to take it out and get tackled by McElroy. And you're like, shit, Ulster's tails are up. Yeah, that's a brilliant goal line defence. You know, probably illegal from the ruck, but so they have that ensuing more. And then for some reason, Jake Flannery kept trying to do a looping pass all the time. And it sort of just lands in Jack Walsh's hands. And you're like, oh shit, but then he gets the offload. And he gets a really good offload straight away. And that's actually, like, if that's Nagy, he probably carries that. He probably makes a line break if it's Nagy, actually. But Nagy carries that, same with Hopkins. Because Walsh is a 10, his first instinct there is I'm going to get that ball away. And there's really good work by Provero to get on his inside. And then obviously he gets off to Dan Edwards, who we know is quick, ends up tackling us out. And it's essentially a carbon copy of the Cameron Jones, no, not that one, try from the Lions, in that Watkin gets tackled there. You know, there's no Lions, the defenders are lazy. So Cameron Jones can just run it in. Same with the here. So like when you said, Robbie, so we said there's four black shirts already. Yeah. And I think it was Tipperick was one of them. Keith Provero, I think, was there. Morgan Williams was there, but no. That's the one, Reuben, yeah. So you're like, oh shit. And then I think it was Gilroy said in a contest that this game has just changed. Yeah. And then, but then obviously the flannery penalty on 74 minutes. And actually at that point, we all said, shit, this is done. Yeah. We were all like, yeah, this is good. And then, so you had the, then you got the really weak turn of events. And this is, and I'm not, I'm not defending Dan McFarlane. You can see why he's annoyed, right? Sure. So it, so it starts off as they have that mall. So they get the penalty. They have that mall. And Tom Stewart is clearly warned twice. He's broken off. He's broken off, broken off. You need to break away. And he doesn't. So it's a free kick. So we take the scrum. We get the free kick from that. Tipperick takes it up. We sort of run it across the line. And I'm the hands on heart here. The grubber was the right decision. I, so at the time I had my heart in my mouth because I thought he just, I thought Stockdale would dive on it and not take it into touch. But then Stockdale was having that. You remember the few years ago when he was on unbelievable form and he dropped the ball over the line against Leinster in the European Cup game. And his form just went out the window and he just like broke down and he wasn't the same player again for a very long time. And then he drops the ball over the line that first half from that quick penalty from Flannery. And he dropped it over the line and suddenly he just fell apart and he was knocking balls on. He wasn't there. And then at the end, he makes that error and he carries the ball out. And I felt like we saw that like what happened for a few years ago happened in microcosm over this game. Whereas confidence seemed to just disappear as the game went on and he took more and more errors leading to that situation. But yeah, then when I watched it back, which I've done many times, um, there is no one at home for Ulster. Like that club was 100% on. Well, if Jacob Stockdale had used Sage Insurance, he would have seen that, you know, he's not very good quick on the turn. So actually, but seriously, Jack Walsh puts that kick in because he has the benefit of seeing Stockdale is planted, right? If you talk about a coaching point of view, Stockdale is two feet planted ready to make the hit. So he's defended the, what was it? Three-on-one essentially really well because he's put himself in a position where he's either going to hit the middleman or he's going to intercept the ball. So putting that thing in, he has to turn around. And I think no matter what he does, because if he takes that ball, he has no, there's like you said, Robert, there's no one behind. And he's just going to tackle the touch anyway. So then he gets back. And then that line that I was just like, please, Lewis Lloyd, please. Because it was a real surprise that Lewis Lloyd got picked. We all thought that Custis Gleeson's Lewis was going to get picked. And then, yeah, it just goes from there. Like Keith puts a, which by the way, it was absolutely a high tackle on Keith. I'm sorry. Because my mum rung me the next day. She was like, were they under advantage? I was like, no, this is the thing. They should have been, but they weren't. And then 14 years later, Dan Edwards is a hero. Yeah, it's incredible. And there's a really basic drop goal. I wasn't thinking about the drop goal at all. It hadn't really occurred to me that was an option. I figured we'd go through some phases, trying to get a penalty, see if anything opens up on the try front, and then maybe think about the drop goal. But the sheer balls on Dan Edwards, just calling, he made the wrong call. But Edwards said himself afterwards in one of the two interviews he did for Man of the Match, that he'd spent a lot of time in the last two weeks doing drop goal drills and drop goal practice. And clearly he'd spent a lot of time actually practising them and less time memorising the calls. But that's grand. But it shows. And also I think that's a really inspired bit of management from Toby Booth to kind of put that on this kid's shoulders. And while you've got a bit of a break to drill that into him, and then obviously he goes, this is the moment, this is it, steps up and never in doubt, never in doubt. And then, yeah, it's just a testament to that squad. Like everything that happened after that drop goal was just reinforcing that culture. So it wasn't just the young players that went and jumped on Dan Edwards. It was Nicky Smith, who let's be, like all season we've been told that Nicky Smith is leaving for France or leaving to England. Yet he's like a sprinter, yet he's like a sprinter on the pitch, jumping on Dan Edwards. Justin Tipperick, like a 39-year-old Justin Tipperick, basically, jumped, you know, babysitting his kids, you know, is leaping on, you know, cornered Danny Edge in the post-match. And, you know, that's what I mean. It's just that togetherness. And you've got Tipperick, oh, I tweeted it in cheek, but you can argue that the best academy in Wales, a product of that academy is picking up this next generation. You know, Toby Booth always, whenever we get these Sunday matches, actually, we always get that really extended interview with Toby Booth because he did a really good one. He's done a few, actually. He did one when he was a pundit down west and he did one as a coach after Scarlet's game. And they're sort of talking through the decision-making process. But it just reinforces that squad culture that we have. And you're just like, oh my God, they actually just love each other. They like to, they want to play for each other. And Clare Thomas, actually, I went, I was listening to that URCN Loaded and I completely forgot Clare Thomas' second question in that. Yeah. Was like, surely your analysis would show that Osprey's win their games in like the last 10 minutes. Yeah. So that's sort of, you know, rather than blaming the ref, why are you winning, you know, if you're so good, why aren't you winning the game? You know. I messaged Clare about it because I know her reasonably well. And I mean, I won't say, I won't repeat what she said about Dan McFarlane. But she was full of nothing but praise for Toby Booth and how wonderful and warm he always is to her. And how he has, like, he started running jokes with him. And apparently that's a thing with a lot of members of the media he sees around a lot. He'll have like little running jokes and things to say to him every time. But yeah, but like, I thought she absolutely completely nailed him there. I say in bringing that up and bringing up, shouldn't you have won the game by that point? You know, because from an author perspective, that was a game they should have won. They had endless chance to do so. And they kept bombing it. They kept blowing it. And the Ospreys kept finding ways into it. At some point, you've got to start to respect your opposition. At some point, you've got to stop looking at it going, well, these are young players. We don't know so much. You know, it's not the Alan Wynn Joneses of the world who perhaps they've learned to fear. You've got to go, actually, this team keeps holding us up. Let's take three points. Let's be more conservative. Let's change how we're playing. And they didn't. And the Ospreys fell off that. And I think that's something that's benefited us over the season, is the number of teams that are in the moment, continuously underestimating how long they'll stick in there. I think the Lions did. I think the Lions thought the Ospreys were dropping away. And yet they didn't. And now Ulster, I think, we're expecting them to crack at some point. And especially after that second try, the Tom Stewart try, maybe they'd fall away. They didn't at all. Especially down to two men, down to 13. Well, yes, and we talked about last week that Ospreys are notoriously slow starters and Ulster are notoriously quick starters. And everything we said Ospreys needed to do, they did it. They did it really well, actually, of shutting that game. Talk to me particularly about that defence, because we only missed six tackles. We had well over 90 per cent of tackles. Talk to me about how that, because our defensive captain wasn't there, was he? So talk to me about how that defensive line sort of shut Ulster down using our blitz. Well, I think the only issue with the execution of the first period of the game, where you just mentioned Ulster starting quick, was probably the two lineups that Ulster did pinch right at the beginning. I think Henderson might have won the first one, then one of the back row pinched the second. So that was probably, if you're really looking into detail, those two were little mistakes that you'd look at. But when you lose someone that's defensively sound at going rock in, and then Don Morris pulls out so close before kick-off, it's a real big test for someone like Boshoff. On his debut, he's been here five minutes and he's defending at 13, which is, well, for any outside centres, is really tricky. And there was one where he shot out of line and I think Ulster played a pass to Addison, the full-back, and he dropped the ball. And he thought, ooh, you know, really good line speed out from the set, but he kind of felt like if that pass went to hand, that might have been a line break. It did help that Ulster were throwing forward passes like they were playing American football, especially in the first half. And Flannery's looping passes meant whichever time they had no overlap, the off-speakers would just drift across, just walk across and make a tackle. And Alex Kepa did that superbly in the last, well, in his 15-minute cameo. He put one in on Stockdale, put him into touch maybe before a penalty or something like that. And he just kind of invited the pressure because he probably knew there was a floating pass coming along, and then he'd just drift out and make the hit. And, you know, I thought Kepa was brilliant, not just by his defence, but by his chase as well. And I think the Ulster-West Kicking game went well this week as well. I think Ulster might have won the odds one or two kicking battles right at the start, but you kind of sense the one where Addison just touches back in his owning goal and just tries to walk to the 22 before the referee says, oh, no, it's a goal-line dropout. That was particularly funny. And it just kind of felt like that kicking battle was going to just continue. And I think probably Ulster were a bit guilty kicking a little bit too long, where they thought, especially in the last 15 or so minutes, the off-speakers kicked it in the air and looked to compete. And, you know, having someone like Ghali's Kepa off the bench who's, you know, a big man and is quite good in the air, you know, that was obviously going to help. Yeah, I've been watching back Dan Edwards' performance in particular for a video that will be out next week. Oh, Dan Edwards. Have you just decided? You're the young Dan Edwards. I've given up on the Six Nations. I'm just going to talk entirely about Dan Edwards. Following week, we are going to get an Ivadi-Bosch off compilation. But yeah, I was going over Dan Edwards' performance and just like, you know, obviously man of the match, and I think delivered, but you know what he pulled out. It wasn't a flawless game. I think he's still got a few moments where we saw him perhaps panicking a bit. There's a few moments where I think the speed of the game was still, he's still adjusting to. He's broadly there, but there's still moments of him having to step up and perhaps throwing, you know, I think he threw two or three hospital balls, which was kind of the lowlights, I guess, where the kind of things where there was space there a moment ago, then by the time he's getting the ball off, perhaps it's closed off and it becomes, you know, quite telegraphed. But broadly, I thought he was absolutely fantastic. And we saw a performance of who he can be and what he can do. And he left most of the kicking through Morgan Williams at nine, but he was calling an awful lot and he's making decisions to put the kicks in. But when he did end up engaged in kicking battles, I thought he was really good in terms of being able to often just looking long. I put one out into touch, you know, made sort of 70 meters off it, which is fantastic. And the other one, as you mentioned, where he sent it long, bounced just past Will Addison, who does it down, things he's got to drop out, he hasn't. And from that, you know, they run a little attack and get bouncy out of it, which is the one he misses in the first half. But every kicking battle in which he involved himself, the Ospreys had a broadly positive outcome. You know, they broadly managed to just about get on top on the whole. And I thought that was a huge positive because that's something that perhaps is lacking in the other 10 we've had in Wales over the last few years. And it's not Jack Walsh's strength. You know, Jack Walsh has huge numbers of strengths, but tactical kicking perhaps isn't one yet that he's come on a huge amount this last season there. Yeah, and so I think enormously encouraging performance by Dan Edwards and Reuben Morgan-Williams, I think, hasn't got much mention, but did a really good job of allowing him to be himself alongside him. Yeah, I think Reuben's not getting enough credit for that. I think a lot of where Reuben gets criticism right is he slows the game down. And sort of, we play a lot more off nine with Reuben, which is his strength. He's a really good controller. So if he wants the forwards to track, or if he wants a box kick, or if he wants... And then he's constantly talking to the 10. And his box kicking is so much better. And actually, we're not blessed at all when he's with the Ospreys. So when Kasper comes on, the tactics change is in to make kicks competable. So we kick to compete on that one, whereas actually when we've got like Prother and Giles, we kick that bit further to force the catch for the tackle, because that's where Prother and Giles probably are a bit better because they're not going to get up and take the ball. So he's a really smart kicker. And, you know, I think him and Luke Davis have their place. Luke Davis is clearly the one where you want to play the tempo, like a better set of ways. Back card, if maybe we sort of... And Luke Davis has shown that he can adapt as well. And I think Reuben, I think people forget Reuben is a very good ball player. He wants to play quick. He's great at the snipe. He's great on that arc in line he runs. He's really like one of the Horn brothers in that respect. He's great at staying ahead of the play. So yeah, but then having the 210 axis on the field just takes that pressure off Dan a bit, while she can come into the line. When he's at fullback, he looks to play a bit. I think that's clearly a both thing now. And he's having... You've got Nagy, who's not a natural kicker of the ball. So he likes to play. We know Yesterday Hopkins likes to play. So actually, for all those haters saying, you know, he's going forward or he's in front of you, he likes his fullback to take the ball to the line. Actually, Max Nagy is still in the top 10 carriers in the UFC. And he's missed since his marathon. Yeah. So that shows you what our intention is off fullback. Anything else very quickly for the game of point play, go player. Justin Titbrick was excellent. Oh God. The first game back since November, he was everywhere, literally everywhere. I think it was like the first couple of minutes of the second half where he makes a really big tackle and sends someone back the odd couple of meters. And then about two minutes later, he's all over a breakdown and just winning the turnover. Thinking, all right, that's the man with the blue hat. I know he's back. And yeah, he was, you know, he was good. And similar to the Glasgow game, him and Deves worked really well together. You know, you've seen, well, Warren Gatland was one that said during the Rugby World Cup that Jack Morgan and Tommy Rafferty might have been a little bit of a mistake playing as two open sides in the back row. But you kind of see like the blend that Titbrick and Deves have kind of got at the minute. And yeah, those two were brilliant. And yeah, probably James Rafferty as well was my third, third anything to be rough. I think he's a harsh yellow card for Rafferty. You can see why he's given it. I completely understand why he's given it. I'd understand more if the leg made contact first, but he had a full grip on the flannery. But it was, it was what it was. I just thought Deves and Titbrick were absolutely everywhere. And I think obviously Dan Edwards got Manuvacs deservedly for the moment that won the game, as well as his goal kicking, you know, from throughout. But I thought those two were the best players in the park and I couldn't separate them. And to have two players at the opposite end, there's what, 12 years between them in age? And yet they're both putting in that kind of performance is really encouraging for the Ospreys going forward, but also just for these next few weeks, which are critical, you know, in the course of the season. Getting four points here was vital. The Edinburgh game next up potentially, you know, could be a game that's incredibly decisive. And then the Munster game afterwards certainly will be if, you know, Edinburgh isn't. And just having two players that can work like that every week, even when your internationals are gone and turn up like that is so vital and so important. And yeah, just fantastic to watch the way they got stuck in on both sides of the ball consistently. Just, yeah, just absolutely brilliant. Yeah, let's talk really quickly about that, because actually he had a really, and Craig Gilroy pointed out on Collins' game in quite a patronising way. But he's a very smart rugby player recently. So he picks that ball up and the easy thing to do, and I think what a lot of props would have done, is just carry as much as he could. Like take the ball as far as he can and then hope that tips is there to wrap it over. But what he does is he puts in a really clever, he obviously wants to go outside, which would again, would have been a fine thing, but it sits up. So the Elston player takes it, it goes down. Tipric is on him like a white on rice, and just absolutely. And then the key man in that exchange is Alex Cuthbert, who executed the game plan perfectly. You're coming on to make tackles and hit rucks. Like it's a really specific job that he had to come on, he used to win high ball, hit rucks and make tackles. Like he wasn't asking Cuthbert to carry that entire game. He was, and they hit that counter at them and they get the penalty. And in hindsight, we probably should have gone for goal, but it is what it is. What it was, was a great work off turn of the ball that led to the ultimate positive outcome. And so Toby Murphy in the post game talks about embracing chaos, right? So that's a perfect example of that. The ball spills out due to Ospreay's defensive pressure. Reissheimer picks the ball up. Naturally, the first thing you have to do is to pass the ball when you carry. He doesn't identify space, puts the kick in. He knows he's not quick enough to chase it. Who's there? You're open, so flank it and you wing it. Go through, force the penalty. That's what we mean in terms of like, that's a perfect example of embracing that chaos. And just, yeah. There's words as well for Ben Warren in that, who really tells that he can't get at the ball and also sealed off. Like there's a great bit of acting and just making it very clear. People talk about painting a picture of the referee, particularly with props and scrums, but he does it really well with that breakdown. Of just going like, they're completely off their feet. They've sealed this off. There's no way we can get at this. Please sir, can I have a penalty? And sure enough, he goes, yes, my good boy. Here you are. Please enjoy it. I hope it tastes delicious. Yeah, just, I love Ben Warren anyway. He's a sight. He did really well. Both did really well against tips off as well. Yeah. Better than they probably had any right to. And again, as I said, pre-game, grow up. But the theme ultimately was they didn't want it. They didn't want it. We haven't even talked about the scrum. I'm really surprised we managed this long without saying that. Because the thing is, they didn't want it. They didn't want it. Ian Henderson goes off after half an hour. Marty Moore doesn't make it that far. They didn't want it. I thought Marty Moore was injured. He wasn't, he was hooked. No, he was hooked. Like Irish international, Marty Moore. Who spent the week saying, oh, I'm not low on confidence, but I can see why people would think that of me. And he's like, yeah, I can now. The ironic thing out of all this was the first scrum and the Elster supporters, the travelling contingent was singing stand up for the Elstermen. And the first scrum was so dominant by Nicky Smith, that Marty Moore stands up and gives away the penalty. So not by actually following the chant, but Marty Moore did join in with the chant. And yeah, it's just another fine display of scrummaging from the Ospreys eight. But Stephen Farris makes a really good point in that UFC Unloaded. Dan McFarland was a prop for Conor. That is his area of the game. Yeah, that was his area of the game and his expertise. And you're like a shit. And it's not even like, as we often talk about as props, we talk about having parity or having dominance. So parity is when you maybe get a tiny little shove on that allows you to win a clean ball, right? Or then you talk about dominance, when you're forcing them backwards and giving away penalties. Because actually a scrum going backwards isn't a sign of dominance. It just means you're stronger. Dominance is when you give penalties and you're forcing players to buckle and things like that. That's what that was. Nicky Smith was under him. Tom Boater in that first scrum actually popped up himself. But that's because Marty Moore is being literally folded like a pretzel. So just brilliant. And then obviously they bring a World Cup winner on who steadies their scrum up. I think Scott Wilson gets the credit for that. But I think that's actually Kitsov comes on and saves that scrum. Yeah, that scrum is the first one I think Kitsov comes on. That's not a coincidence. Yeah, I think that's that game pretty wrapped up. What a win. Takes us up to seventh in the table now. Where we visit Edinburgh away next. Yeah, who are one point above us on the table. And have a uncannily similar run of final fixtures. So potentially decisive. Because the two fixture lists are almost identical. It's like a parallel between them. Yeah. But rather than talk about Edinburgh away, let's play hashtag good player. Yes. So we made a list off air last week. And then the words Rainbow Cup were mentioned to me this week. So what better way to celebrate the Rainbow Cup than talking about Ospreay versus Cardiff. This took place on Saturday 24th of April 2021. During the COVID sort of Rainbow Cup era. The final score finished Ospreay 36. Cardiff 14. Referee by Sam Grove-White. Let's go through. Should we go Ospreay or Cardiff team first? I feel like Cardiff. I feel like going for the opposition first allows you to build up to the glory of Owen Watkin. So at loose end, Rhys Gill. Yeah, good player, I guess. Yeah. He's a weird one, Rhys Gill. Because he was one of those players that like people rated higher because he played in England. And then when he came to Cardiff, he was fine. But when he was at Saracens, I was like, God, he's at Saracens. He must be great. 37, man. Wow. Yeah. Oh, he played 67 times. Is there 135 games he got those Saracens fair play? Hmm. Oh, this is fantastic shithousing on his Wikipedia, by the way. So it says in his senior career, it says, like Cardiff RFC, Glamorgan, Saracens, Cardiff Blues. And then provincial slash state science, Cardiff Blues, from 2005, 2009. Like, what? Oh, my. Did Owen Robbins do this Wikipedia thing? Oh, Rhys Gill. How many Wales caps do you think Rhys Gill had over a six-year period? Seven. He was exactly seven. You're right. Well, sometimes that gives you the answer where this is. That Wikipedia thing. He made his debut in his island in 2010, the Six Nations, which is a Six Nations I have no memory of. Yeah. I remember that game. I remember him being okay. Like, the scrum was even and people were worried about the scrum being a disaster because Geffen got injured just before the game. Uh, at two, Kirby Myhill. Oh. Are you a player? A player who played rugby? Uh, was it? One Cap Wonder? Yeah, One Cap Wonder. I was there for his one cap. One of the things I'm proudest of in my life. Now playing at Ealing. Yeah, of course. Famous, isn't it? Um. Yeah, he certainly is a player. Um. Kieran Azarate. And this is where Kieran Azarate wasn't very good. And he got yellow carded, by the way. And you'll understand why when you see who's loose-ed for Oxbray. Um. Yeah, he wasn't very good in this. From what I remember, this is when Azarate wasn't firing in all cylinders. But good player now. I quite like him now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ben Murphy, second row. Who I only have the vaguest memory of. I have no memory of this man. Yes, you look like you know everything about him. I can't remember much about Ben Murphy. I'm just reading through the past now and thinking how interesting it is. But um. Contacting Ben Murphy Rugby. He's at Doncaster Knights now. I walked past a man in the street wearing Doncaster Knights stash the other day. I was excited because you never see that. The thought of seeing a die-hard Doncaster Knights fan outside Doncaster. It's a proud moment. I think he might have won that. He was riding that as well. Oh, sorry. Probably. Um, so yeah, Ben Murphy. Yeah, I have no memory of that man. Rory Thornton. Yeah. Um. Alan Lawrence. Oh, yeah, I like that. Briefly hyped up. Yeah, went to Jersey. I saw him at Stardust Road like a week after Jersey went. That was, um, yeah, that was interesting. So, so. We need a term for the players like him, like Rory Pittman, who get very briefly hyped up in that window before the Autumn Internationals, because they have a few good games at the start of the season, and then disappear completely. So, Alan Lawrence is 25, by the way. I'm sorry. Alan Lawrence is the name of a 36-year-old Titan. Like, he would have been 21, 22 playing this match. Let's say two, I think. Like, that's, yeah. So, Alan Lawrence is younger than I remember. But good. He was a good prospect. I think he'll end up at Dragons soon. That seems to be the natural destination. Gwilym Bradley. Yeah, who was okay. Didn't he play in the Corbett team? No, that card is... Oh, the pub team. Oh, the pub team. The, yeah, the restoring pride team. Well, obviously, his brother is Bryn Bradley, the under-20 centre, who's now with Gwyn, and we floated as a definite signing for next season, the other week. He's still at Cardiff, but I think he's at University of Bath as well. He was all right. He was all right. Oh, he's all right. Made his debut against Leinster, because of course he did. At number eight, James Ratty. Good player. Good player. Good player, yeah. Why did we ever let him go? Actually, no, he was good for Cardiff. It was the right decision at the time, because Ratty left during the Alan Clark era. Yeah, yeah, he did. And as we previously discussed about Alan Clark, wasn't big on feedback. So, probably the right move for him. Now, this 9-10 combo might be one of the worst 9-10 combos I've ever seen in my life. Right? And Jamie from Jagger's Lair and Ratt hates this number nine. That is Lewis Jones. Well, yes. No, I'm with him there. I mean, I shouldn't be so... No. Yeah. No, I should back down. I don't hate him. I don't think he's good. I hate watching him play. Oh, for shite. He's... I hate watching him play rugby. That's the sort of thing that I would write in a video script and cut. Yeah. Yanked off... So, weirdly, right? In this game, Cardiff made their subs at 51 minutes, 52 minutes, 57 and 69 minutes. And that's it. But him and his halfback partner were yanked at 52 minutes. And his halfback partner was Jason Tubby. Yeah. I see. Okay. I like Jason Tubby. I am all for Jason Tubby. Maybe because I am old enough to remember the period of him being hyped up as the next big thing when he came through as a 20-year-old and was the first dragon to ever score a hat-trick in a game, got into the 2011 World Cup training called A Head of Damn Bigger, which is an often forgotten factoid, and was kind of a really classy young 10, and then continued down the line of being Jason Tubby. But for a while, it was controversial he wasn't making Welsh squads when he was the same quality he would be as a, like, 30-odd-year-old, but as a 21-year-old. He kind of emerged always the player he was always going to be. My favourite thing about Jason Tubby is the fact that every time Dragons lose on Twitter, he just tweets, I'm still fit. I'm still available. That's it. All added to by the fact that he is the millennial Lee Jarvis, and I mean that in a positive way, in that he sits on Twitter all the time, moaning in his own little way. He's always watching some sport. If there's sport on, Jason Tubby is watching it. He loves darts. He loves the Premier League. Oh, he loves the Champions League. He's watching Kabbadi. Yeah, he's like one of the few professional players who will, like, watch Super Rugby in the morning while he's playing that afternoon. So much time for Jason Tubby. So much time for him tweeting shit about the darts. And him, yeah, like, he calls stuff out, and he chats. And like, he did an interview with Blood and Mud once, where he said- Yeah, that was a good interview. Yeah, he said he really hates going to the gym. And like, he's thought about leaving professional rugby, which he ends up doing, just because he hates the gym so much. And that is a man after my own heart. Brilliant. So then we move into the- I'll do the sentence first. So we've got a professional tackle bag holder, Matt McClellan. Good player. Yeah, good player. Yeah, good player. His cousin's a very nice man. I mean, they phoned out in Croydon instead of West London. Yeah, it's quite gutted about Matt McClellan, actually. Him sort of going to Roster and being behind two men called Atkinson is quite a thing. Owen Lane at 13. Jesus Christ. They wanted to happen so badly. Oh, honestly, I don't like Owen Lane. I don't think he's a good player. Whenever Mason Grady makes a mistake, I call him Owen Lane. But no, every time the word, the Lane train, was uttered on commentary, like, a puppy dies somewhere. I just don't- I've never seen the hype. I'm sorry, Cardiff fans, but no. Jason Harry's a one-wing. I like Jason Harry. Me and Yester spoke about Jason Harry's very recently. The bus. He was the Welsh Union's aviator. Sure. In that he doesn't play much anymore. Yeah, and he once called it Andrew Ford. Didn't he have a stint at Edinburgh once, or was it just near Durham? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was at Edinburgh for a while, I think. Because that was all- it was weird, because he sort of came through Edinburgh. Well, no, he was a Sevens player. And then at, like, age, like, 28 or something, he signed for Edinburgh out of nowhere. And that seemed weird. Then, yeah, played, what was it, like, five or six seasons at Cardiff. I never really rated him. I thought he was fine. He was a decent, like, URC standard winger who would fill in. And he's a player I probably would have rated if he was an Ospreys player. That is a classic bias thing, where a player that isn't particularly exciting and isn't, you know, troubling the Wales squad, I'm watching with a less critical eye or less forgiving eye. So he came through at London Scottish. Did he? He made 46 appearances. He only made 10 appearances for Edinburgh. And then came to Cardiff. But, yeah, he was a Sevens player for, sort of, on and off, like, six or seven years, I think. Right. The other wings, the other wing was Halememos. Fine. Good player. I like Halememos. I like Halememos a lot. Got a bad hat. I will defend Halememos, as I have done many times against Josh Gardner. Yeah. And then Ben Thomas was a fullback. This is when he was a fullback. Didn't they trial him for this game? I think this was his trial. Well, because their other option was a Wakawanse and wasn't a fish, so. Yeah. So on the bench then was Liam Belcher, who wasn't very good at this point. I always liked him. He's a pointy boy, yes. Poaching staff, yeah. Often see him once in a while at a game. Yeah. Rhys Carey. He would be young Rhys Carey at this point, didn't he? This was after his red card for Saracens against the Ospreys in the Champions Cup as well. Yes, that was him. Oh my God, I forget about that. I'm poor. The only reason I remember, because at fullback that day was Elliot Albert, who I kind of like. And I remember saying to my grandfather, I said, look at this fullback. A couple of years, I think if he has a good run at Saracens, I think he might have an England shot. And then Rhys Carey, his red card, instantly they yank him off. After a fight up. And then he's at Newcastle now. And it just sort of never worked out for him. But yeah, so this is when Rhys Carey wasn't very good. Some would say he's not very good now. I'm not going to. Harley knows my opinion on Rhys Carey. And it's at this point in the podcast where he pauses there, messages me to say, I'm surprised you didn't slag off Rhys Carey. Will Davis King? Once again, a rugby player. Not going to get far with a double-barrelled name in Wales. I'm sorry, Morgan Williams as well. Yeah. You're going on the Robin Sowden-Taylor pile. Who is the highest achieving double-barrelled Welsh player? Morgan Williams has carved out a decent career despite that. And I think it's because he's got two incredibly bulk-standard Welsh names. The best thing I can say about Robin Sowden-Taylor is there's a short WIU put out where players do impressions of each other and the coaches. And Aaron Wainwright does a fucking brilliant impression of Robin Sowden-Taylor. But it's also in that one, they do an impression of Kai Evans. Tame Bashing is a brilliant impression of Kai Evans. And it always makes me laugh that the one conversation I've had with Kai Evans, he sounded exactly like that. And they do one of Mackenzie Martin. He's yelling, I love Cardiff! I love Cardiff me, I'm a Cardiff boy. That one he did after they restored some pride at Cardiff Amherst Park. And then they do the Tame Bashing one. He doesn't even realise they've taken the piss out of him. Because they've just got all the Newport boys just saying, hey bro, hey bro, how's it going bro? And he says, that's proper Newport that, isn't it? I said, yeah, that's you. Didn't mention eating a billion toasties one weekend. I love Tame Bashing. He's got big local nightclub energy. He's the exact person you see at your local nightclub. Not like a Revs or a Tiger Tiger, it's called Starlight. It's not even a nightclub, it's just a pub that's got a disco ball in it. A normally large room. Disproportionate amount of Bowie. They're mostly dance anthems, but every now and again the DJ throws on. Throws on, yeah, Bowie or Foo Fighters. Yeah. Moving on, Teddy Williams, the fetus at this point. Yeah, really coming into his good play-er-ness at the minute. I keep winding Harley up and saying he's a long-term six, but he's actually the second comer of Tom Croft. Because he is, he reminds me a lot of Tom Croft. That handoff and offload he does against Barr, I was like, oh my god, it is like watching Tom Croft. But he can only be Tom Croft if he gets injured and then but claims himself back for a Lions tour. So I fully expect him to play on the 2013 Lions tour when time travel gets invented. But he's going to be injured for the first three and a half years. Always a big fan of Tom Croft, like inventing the concept of the edge forward before we had it. He was Siakalisi before Siakalisi. Ellis Bevan, the perennial under 21. You've skipped one. Oh yeah, Ollie Robinson. Good player. Good player. Bad father. Bad father. Awful father. Yeah, Ollie Robinson's, yeah, if there's an under-rated 15 Crofted captain, never got his plaudits. Probably went to, he's one of them players you're like, why isn't he playing in the Gallagher Premiership? Because he would be like, he's like, could have been the Tom Rees, the Solve England's open side problems. Ellis Bevan. So he got to a higher level of prestige, which is player Ross Harris brings up all the time. You know, Will Boyd was the same. You know, that is when you know you've made it. When Ross Harris is, any chance he gets telling people how he loves you. Josh McLeod's that at the minute. He loves a hardworking flanker. Yeah, that's, that's the goal for Harry Dees is to get into Ross Harris's books so that he can talk about you when he's going on his tirades about Welsh music. I'd rather be Martin Gillingham. Ellis Bevan. Good player. Good player. Yeah, solid. Coming into his own now as well, I think. Would have been young then. Would have been 20. Would have been really young. Yeah. The Fish. Oh, great player. Icon. The Icon, yeah. Nothing more to be said. And then a guy called Emmanuel Fahey-Wabosa. Making his debut for Cardiff. Doesn't, don't think he did much after this. Not been in the news at all. Like, you know, anything like that. Yeah, I remember. I remember around this game, Googling him a lot and trying to work out who he was, where he'd come from. He came across a sprinting record and being like, oh, hello, this is a promising player for Wales. And Wales in particular. There was two around this time. Because, do you remember Ewan Pearce-Jones? Yes. From the Wales Sevens. Yeah. Who played for, he's playing at the Harbury in the Bucks League now. Played for Newport the other, yeah. I think he was his, like, first introduction to Newport the other night, actually. Um, so there was a lot of hype around, sort of, this fast sidestepping winger at the time. And then, yeah, Emmanuel Fahey-Wabosa now is English and more power to him. I just remember him coming on and I was like, bit quick. Yeah, that was the Cardiff Blues team. Uh, obviously shortly after this, they became the Rugby's. Um, yeah, the Cardiff Blues are heritage though. Not according to their bus. Yeah, true. The bus, yeah, the bus doesn't lie. So that's very quick. The bus, by which I mean Jason Harris, doesn't lie. Jason Harris brought Cardiff to... On his back. On his back. Um, so let's go through the Ospreys very quickly. So you had Nicky Smith, not surprised by Kieran Azraq. He got a yellow card at them. Um, good player. Evian Phillips. Good player, man. He would be playing for Wales right now. Yeah, any chance... Yeah, any chance we get, bring him up. Bring him back. He should play for Wales. Great player. Ah, yes. Um, yeah, really good player. Uh, yeah, he scored two this game. Um, then you have got Mr. Tommy Boater. Icon. Do you want to know his stats from this game? Placing the sun alone. Do you want to know his stats from this game? So, one pass, six tackles, one beat a gig. Oh! I love him to you. But, but his opposite man got binned for scrum offences. Yeah. Um, Adam Beard, obviously. Icon, pre-test lion Adam Beard as well. Pre-test lion. Uh, one clean break this game. Yeah, this is the game. He got one clean break and I think he's only ever had one more in his career and that was a gift for the Lions. Um, uh, was this Rhys Davis or Bradley Davis? I think it's Rhys, yeah, Rhys Davis. So, more of that Adam Beard, Rhys Davis combo. Looking forward to seeing him back playing. Oh, yeah, he'll be back for the Edinburgh game. And this was kind of the start of Rhys Davis coming through. Um, I remember watching him in the, in the Rainbow Cup in this period and going, oh, he's surely going to be in the Wales squad immediately because he came through and was, I said, it was, it wasn't his very first games. You know, he played a bit in the previous season, um, a few games off the bench. Um, but it was kind of in this Rainbow Cup period for me, at least, that he kind of really stood up and really broke through. Um, he does some good games the previous season, but like, yeah, around then and around the end of that previous season, where he kind of came through and was fantastic and became the player we now know and adore. Um, was, uh, he'll add a lot more Prick into that pack. Yeah. Like we just, he's, yeah, he's just really, really good. Back row, um, I'll, I'll end with the, the, the new guy. Um, so we've got, uh, Justin Tipperick. Seven. Gone off to Hasler, infamously. Yeah, gone off to Hasler. Um, Morgan Morris at eight, obviously. So the back row is pretty, it depicts itself. Apart from a man at six called Ethan Roots, uh, making his debut for the Offsprings. I had a game with him. Each team's got a England debutant from this year's Six Nations in it. Yeah. Um, so Ethan was signed a few weeks earlier, and I instantly fell in love with him because I was like, this guy is a prick. I think he gave away like a penalty for, like, throwing Ethan off his feet in a rough situation. Yeah. His first involvement in the game was diving off his feet into a rock. I remember, um, a guy on Twitter messaging me saying, oh shit, this guy's not going to be very good. And I said, just you wait, I tell him this man has potential. Um, so yeah, Ethan Roots, I miss him every day. My main memory of this period is just having a few conversations back and forth with Josh Gardner, mentioned again, um, because both of us were convinced he wasn't real. Because we're trying to look up anything on him. Gospers hadn't announced they'd signed him at first. He was just named in a squad. I think it was, yeah, for the Rainbow Cup or for Europe that year. They just named, like, we have a player called Ethan Roots in our squad. And you're like, who, who is, who is this guy? And you Google him and there's no record of him out there. You know, we, we made up of, we randomly generated a player. We tamed Plumtree, the player into being. And then he arrived, he dived off his feet and everything beyond that was poetry. Yeah, uh, at nine, uh, no one played nine. Can you believe it? Um, no one played at all. The ghost of Tom Haberfield. Yeah. So yeah, I'm just going to say Tom Haberfield. Ricky January played at nine. Um, Josh Thomas, 10. Oh. Discuss. Uh, yeah. A player who I'm glad got his one day in the sun, you know, he's got one, streets will never forget moment in that try against Lens to the charge down to win the game. And that is enough for me. You know, we're living in for me or such. I'm more happy with who we've got now. Yes. Yes. Um, yeah, that's all I'm going to say. Uh, Matthew Provero, 11. Uh, end of his first season, is it? Yes. His first season. So he obviously scored that try against Edinburgh right at the start of the season from that. Um, but this is like before he kind of got like a run of games together before that champions cup performance against sale, where he just ran around everyone. Yeah. George North at 14. This is where he picked up his serious injury. When they ruled him out of the Lions tour. Yeah. Um, he said, Oh, in a center, that's the most say about them. Classic solid. By the way, we, when we saw Tom Florence was named on the bench, the Don Morris got injured, um, which we've got it for. Um, I, if them two are on the field together, they actually have been called Florence and machine. And that is my finest work. It is your finest work. I was, I was smiling like an idiot in, in Cairndon train station. Um, and then what's this? One of his last appearances, Dan Evans. No, he plays, well, maybe it was a year or so after this. He played a preseason game. He played in them. He was sat in his debut at sale, which is obvious. So Dan Evans was in that game as well. Yeah. Yeah. He played 11 games the following season. So yeah, this was towards the end though. Like obvious 836 games of taking the ball at fullback, running into the closest man, somehow getting out that tackle. This was, this was towards the end. This isn't the final 1% of his games with the Ospreys. Uh, on the fence, then you've got Sam Parry. Uh, probably scored over 40 tries. It's scored in the final play. Um, yeah, cause I think that's what got Jason Harry yellow card. Or it was definitely even up to it. Um, Jordan Lay in his 800th emergency load appearance with the Ospreys. Yeah. I think he was the other one that was written down in that European squad next week. Has he joined back? Cause he just, I think he just keeps to the training ground. They're like, oh, hi, Jordan, you're back. He became a, he's a running joke in the squid Ruby office for the Ospreys, posting a video that said something like get to know Jordan Lay. And then the video is him saying, my name is Jordan. I was born in New Zealand. I'm from Samoa and that's sort of it. Um, and I can't explain it, but, uh, we bring up that video all the time that comes up on at least once a week basis of let's meet Jordan Lay. Let's get to know Jordan Lay. Um, it's funny. You're in my head. I think it's a big, you had to be there. I know the exact thing. They used to do some cracking ones. The Justin Tipper, if you remember back in the day, he was like, uh, they asked him, uh, what's your name? Justin Tipper. Uh, what's your nickname? He goes, what? You serious? He's like, come on. That was a bit self explanatory. How many, one week do a retrospective on Ospreys mastermind? Yes. Oh my God. No, the Rhys Henry and Morgan Morris were brilliant. So I have that on my watch later on YouTube and have the years and it comes up once a week for me to watch that at least. And it has the years. I just like having the thumbnail pop up of Rhys Henry and Morgan Morris as a married couple. Well, funny enough, Rhys Henry's at 18 as he was at this period. Um, infamously described by Toby Booth around then as heroic. Yep. In his first game. Uh, Bradley Davis at 19, coming off a fight. No doubt. Great player. Um, Sam Cross again, which owns a 20 jersey at this point. Scored as well. Scored as well. Yeah. The rarest of hen's teeth. Um, Reuben Morgan Williams, weirdly on the bench. Hmm. Um, considering we have no one at nine. Um, you'd question why Toby Booth got a score off on the bench and we played with 14 men. He's always thinking that one. He's always innovating. Uh, a baby Joe Hawkins at 22. Oh yeah. There's a lot of heavy players in this team. Yes. Oh, you're right. Both sides. Um, yeah, Joe Hawkins didn't do much in this game. Considering the season he had where, especially when you played 10 at sale, where I thought he was very good. Yeah. Um, didn't do much. But then again, he had no one passing to him because again, there was no one at nine. Um, and then Kai Evans, uh, this is when Kai Evans started to become good. This is the time where he, they just chuck him on the wind. Because why not? Because you will run like your father. Yeah. But this is when he started becoming okay, actually. Um, and then they decided, shit, he's actually a fullback and he's really good at it. Um, cool. So finish 36, 14. Um, let's have a look at some stats, right? Uh, let's have a look at disciplines is always fun. Um, how many penalties do you think Ospreay's gave away? 16. No, yes. 11. No, six. Um, Cardiff, not Cardiff, not surprisingly gave away 15. And Harry's got Sindbad as well. Of course. Um, yeah. Scrubs is pretty similar as we thought. Um, Ospreay's 10 moles won. Cardiff won. I mean, shown in the fact there's three hooker tries. Yeah. Um, yeah. So overall, I, I remember it being like Ospreay's were clearly on top the whole game. They were just sort of like holding Cardiff at arm's length and that was it. It wasn't like a dominant performance or anything like that. We just sort of balled them off the park and Cardiff just getting increased. Like the other Welsh teams have this superior superiority complex that somehow because you put the ball through the hands more, your tries are somehow better. Like they're all worth five points. Like the other bit of that Toby Booth interview, um, is he talks about being able to go up the field when they're passing the ball. Yeah. Which is a really good thing to do. You know, that, that's essentially what the Ospreay's are really good at. I know me yesterday, we talked about this earlier and I don't like the superiority complex that other teams have where just because you have, you know, you pass the ball through the back, makes you a better team. Yeah. You know, I'd rather be on the one that's winning games. Um, it's why Exeter was so good for many years. Like the Exeter team that was so dominant would have a set game plan and they just did not deviate from it. Um, I, that's also why I think teams like Gloucester struggle because they struggle with an identity because Gloucester for years were like, we're going to have this big brutish pack, but then we're going to sign Danny Cipriani and all of a sudden play really sexy rugby. And then we're going to go back to a brutish pack. But then we're going to sign Adam Hastings and then have a really major kicking game. So it, you know, Toby Booth has an identity for the team and he's not, he's evolved it rather than, you know. Yeah, yeah. Fundamentally changing anything. Oh, I think that's the episode boys. I think, you know, we sit in seventh, uh, Robin, before we go. Hello. Oh shit. Yeah. Okay. So I want to recommend one really good film, it's on Vibe, I have seen this one. I watched it over the weekend. It's one of the most kind of nail-biting and thrilling things I've seen in some time. It's called Ospreys vs. Onster, available on Vioplay now. You can re-watch it for like four days until they randomly take it down, which they do sometimes, or it might stay up for the full season because they do that as well sometimes. You can never quite know with Vioplay. It's a real, real thrill ride. Wait until the ending. The ending is spectacular. Yeah, cool. It's also got Stellan Skarsgård in it though, weirdly. Yeah, yeah, he plays Toby Booth. So it's a one-to-one recreation of the game, but they've got Toby Booth played by Stellan Skarsgård, just saying, we're in the entertainment business, over and over. You can't quite get the Blackheath accent right, he just improvises and just does the Swedish one instead. It's Swedish boofy. They've got an actual Croatian in today, Justin Tipric. I think that's why they bought the rights. They saw the name Tipric and they're like, ah, that's up our street. Michael Chiklis plays Rhys Henry. I'd watch that. I'd be all over that. I'd be all over that. A bit of kicking skills, though, superb. Oh, brilliant. So Robbie Raskin is Ospreys vs. Onster, and you can find this on Vioplay. Dan Owens, being a young person, is obviously played by either Tom Holland or Timothy Chalamet. They just flip a coin, scene by scene, like the first time he's played by one, second half by the other. They're the only two young actors that are given work now. Lucas Hedges sits crying as he's supposed to play Matt Frodero. Yeah, they've just gone and found all the blonde actors to be like, Ethan McElroy, Matt Frodero. They've just got like an angry dog to play Harry Deems. Anyway, good movie on Vioplay now. You can find us on this podcast, it's a fucking disgrace. Oh, my God. If you've made it this far, I salute you, because this podcast is, every week I say it, it's an absolute disgrace, yet we love it. You can find us on all the usual socials, at yesindents.thomas21, at squidrugby, and at ospreysiree on Twitter, or x. No Ospreys game this week, that's two weeks now, is it? Or is it, no, it's one week. Just the one week. It's the one week before, is it a Friday night Edinburgh away? Friday night Edinburgh away. If you're going out, have a good time. If not, we will see you next week to play, we will play Good Player. I believe we're looking at the game to win the title, probably, are we not? Oh, yeah, the 2004? The Ospreys 2005, or the first title? We're either going to look at that, or we're going to look at Toby Foote's first game. I think we're going to look at the title, because there's a lot of older players. So we're going to look at that, we're also going to preview the Edinburgh game, and hopefully we'll have a nice, quiet week with no news. Oh, we didn't talk about the Edinburgh signings. We didn't talk about the Ireland selection. Well done to the three lads who got selected. They were never not going to be selected. Yeah, sorry, I forgot about that. Hashtag Team Wales. We'll see you next week, have a good one. Thank you for listening to the Ospreys RE podcast. We hope you enjoy the show. Please subscribe, rate and review wherever you listen to us, as it really helps spread the word. You can find us on all the usual social media channels, or email us on welshregionalrugbypod at gmail.com. And remember, whatever the question, rugby is always the answer.