Cleo and Ocean

The conversation revolves around the importance of personal safety, especially for women. The participants discuss their cautious approach to avoid potentially unsafe situations. They also acknowledge the risks women face and the need to be hyperaware of their surroundings. The conversation touches on the fear of being abducted and the various ways women can be taken advantage of. Different backgrounds and experiences shape one's perception of safety. The participants also talk about conversations they've had with others, including the fear of homeless people and how different neighborhoods can influence one's perspective. They discuss the privilege of attending a privileged school and how it contributes to a safer environment. They also mention the protection men generally receive compared to women. The participants acknowledge their privileges as white and economically stable individuals. They briefly mention the safety of queer individuals in Seattle compared to other cities. Overal Okay, working yes, okay Like Like what does it mean for you to be safe? I Don't put myself in situations that will That are potentially unsafe you like I don't I will go out of my way to not be in an unsafe situation so you would say that you're like a Healthily cautious person Yeah, I Don't it doesn't mean that I stay home and don't do anything or don't go out But it's more that if there's the potential that I personally am Going to be in danger, then I either go and I'm cautious or like hyper aware or I don't go Yeah, I would say I'm the same way like especially as women it's so important to be aware of your surroundings and like as As teenagers, there are so many opportunities for us to be in harm's way or like Get hurt Like I said, I was a snatchable and you said that we were both tall and that like we aren't necessarily that's natural but like still as young women like There is always that risk that like yeah, we can be taken but that's like the most extreme of Getting kidnapped, but like there's a lot more A lot a lot more opportunities for women to be taken advantage of because they are women I would say that I am NOT necessarily Fearful of like being abducted Because I'm like five nine and I don't I don't look like the person that you can just grab and steal You feel grabbable would you say that that's a result of a logical part of your brain or an irrational I Think half and half I think it's pretty logical because like At least when I'm in certain situations like in public or something or in like downtown, I feel very watched I don't feel like anyone's ever Come near me other than a few situations where like I thought I was followed but as Far as like me going about my daily life. I don't think that I will get kidnapped, but then there's like so much more that Like what you were saying of how we can get taken advantage of super easily like Getting abducted is so much. It's so extreme compared to everything else But yeah, I would say that it's almost necessary to have that quote-unquote irrational fear of Being abducted because being overly cautious prevents you from all of the mild or like In relation mild Issues you might face as a woman like if you're overly cautious if you prepare for being abducted Then you also prepare like kind of Simultaneously for all of the other stuff. I don't know I think that Safety is something that a lot of women talk about A lot of women have to think about Queer people I guess not in Seattle, but in the world you know there are a lot of types of people Who have to think a lot about their personal safety? But I think that they all think about it differently, and I don't know do you have you had many conversations? with other people about like safety specifically I've had like multiple conversations especially with my mom about safety Like she has my live location 24-7 and not that she thinks that I'm ever in especially unsafe situations, it's more of like a Reassurance for her that like she knows where I am and that kind of thing And like it's kind of a preventative measure like just in case but I've had a couple conversations about safety where like At least one specific conversation that I very much remember is one There was a friend of mine who was very afraid of homeless people and like so much so that she wouldn't go to downtown and Like was afraid that they were gonna do bad things to her and Afraid that like she was in danger or in harm's way in their presence even if they were blocks away Yeah Do you know where she grew up? Like what neighborhood? Yeah, I think that that's just like the tip of the iceberg of how Different backgrounds affect how you think about safety. I grew up Around like a lot of homeless people it could be blind. I grew up a block away from Aurora and so like I would say that Being cautious is necessary because we're when you're in such a dire situation You do very extreme things and When you're not in your right mind You also do very extreme things, but I would say that there are a lot of people who? I guess dehumanize homeless people and Other people who would be Like scary, I guess or just like Uncomfortable to be around for some people And I think that it's very important to talk about What it is to be overly cautious to the point of ignorance While also being aware of your surroundings and how to keep yourself safe Yeah, I think it's interesting that you bring up where you grew up because I grew up in Bellevue Very very overly white. I grew up in a very nice neighborhood There were very very few people of color at my elementary school and even like growing up there and being surrounded by those people and then coming to Seattle and it's Like the elementary school that I came to in Seattle and then the middle school was so like completely opposite It was because both of those schools both the elementary school and the middle school were a block away from Aurora. It was Different people different views. It almost seemed as though like they had seen more and they were less scared or like It was almost like they were less sheltered because there was so much it was almost like a bubble in Bellevue of How people's views on the world and people's views on people who look different in any way than them? It was very very interesting and I guess I didn't realize that shift until probably high school Yeah, yeah, it's just like you know Each section each part of your identity where you grew up what you identify as What you identify as What you look like the family you come from your economic standpoint like all of that Where you stand economically Anyway moving on all of it affects how you grow up I lost my train of thought I Think that it's a very it's a very privileged school. It's a Like You go here, I don't you think that you have any privilege being here do you think that you Oh absolutely, absolutely like When you're talking about this school as a very privileged school Why I agree with you 100% and I can also defend exactly what I'm asking you Why do you think it's such a public school? And then why do you think that makes it unsafe? That's not what you said, but like it makes it go. I would say makes it safer I would make I would say it it makes it stay safer shit I would say it makes it safer because there is a lot more funding and a lot more attention that like You can pay more attention to detail when you're not focusing on how you're gonna fund or how you're gonna Even keep like a math class like we don't need to worry about Funding anything in our school. We don't need to worry about that stuff and The Kids at our school come from Mostly privileged backgrounds. I mean, it's a primarily white school. It's a very rich school and I think that when you Grow up in a house where you don't have to worry about like if your attention Doesn't need to be focused on how you're gonna pay the rent or how you're gonna afford dinner It allows the parents to spend more energy raising a kid to be Healthy mentally and physically like You know what? I'm getting at Like a woman going to the school In comparison to a very privileged man going to the school. Um, I Personally would say that men are more protected. Yeah, and if there is an instance where like scenario Hypothetical that the woman feels unsafe or feels taken advantage of or anything like that I'm in strong belief that the man will be the one who's protected in that situation And so when it comes to Safety talking like from a woman's perspective going to Roosevelt The men are more protected Absolutely, I think everywhere in the world. Our school is a very safe school. Our school is a very safe school I would say that even in the safest places of America men are still gonna have the upper hand I would also say that Having the added privilege of being white and both of us being from I would say Economically sound Families we both hold those privileges and both of us are queer women and I would say that Seattle like you can It's I would Did they move our stick Okay, anyway finishing the thought Oh, yeah, it was a safer place to for queer people than like most of most other cities in America As you can be visually queer here There are parts of Seattle where it's Yeah, it's definitely safer. Yeah, I wouldn't say 100% it's safe. You can be visually queer anywhere, you know I mean, it's in the same way like like in Comparison we are safer here than other cities in America We still have the disadvantage of Being Discriminated against we also live in a very major city Yeah, it's very like common for all your cities to be very liberal heavy and so liberal views Oh Wait, hello we do