The Bear/Barry

The transcription is a conversation between two people discussing a TV show called "The Bear." They talk about their favorite characters, favorite episodes, and their thoughts on the show's portrayal of the culinary industry. They also mention some memorable scenes and moments from the show. Say I just hit record on VoiceMeter. Don't really need to do timed ideas, but we can if you want to. Yeah, if I don't need to. Okay. Recording on your side? Yeah. Okay. I'll put the docs in the chat. The best five things that I've watched. Is a movie all right, or does it have to be TV specifically? Well, I was going to ask you about TV because the bear is TV. Yeah. Well, I mean, I was going to do that at a different time. I was just doing the bear today. Oh, so we're going to talk about the bear? Okay, cool, cool, cool. Yeah. Yeah, because you said you were tight on time, so I just wanted to do the bear. Yeah, all right. That's fine. Okay. All right. I'm ready to go if you are. Yep. You are? 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Let's go back here for the first season just to talk about the whole thing and what you thought about it. Who's your favorite character? Favorite character arc? I was telling you Richie at the beginning of season two has an incredible character arc. You're not quite there yet. Obviously, he gets more in depth later on in season two, but who's your favorite character and your favorite character arc throughout the first season? Okay. I think my favorite character, it's a little cheap, but I'm going to say it's Neil just because they nail how much Neil an episode needs. They really do. Sometimes you feel like you might want more Neil, but they're like, no, we can't use Neil all the time. I'm not going to use that answer. He's just my personal favorite, the way he pops in and he always has something to say. He's just a hilarious character, but if I was going for one of the bigger roles, I would probably say, I like Karmie. I really like Sid. The actress that plays Sid, she's really knocking it out of the park with this one. It's really hard to say which one's my favorite. Even Richie. I've told you how much I can't stand Richie half the time. I'm surprised nobody punches him in the face more often than they do. I can't imagine the show now without him. All of them have that thing. Marcus. I really like Marcus too. I really hope he finds the pastry he's looking for. Yeah. I was going to say, yeah, they're all incredible and they're all three-dimensional people. They all have specific mannerisms and specific ways that they carry themselves. That's something I always want to ask people that work on a show like this is, how long did it take you to develop that specific persona for each person? Because each person, especially Karmie, the way he walks, the way he talks to people, the way he looks at people, and the way he gets disheveled and has that thousand-yard stare. I was rewatching a bunch of scenes and episodes from the first season. There's a scene where Nico, somebody called Nico, calls for Michael, who as he was dead, and Karmie took the call, hung up. Richie walked in. Richie was like, who's that? And Karmie took a beat and Richie was like, hey, you there? You resetting? You going blank stare? What are you doing? He's like, somebody called for Michael, and Richie was like, oh. And Karmie was like, yeah, just for a second I thought he was still alive, and Richie was like, no, fuck that. I don't want any of this shit. Yeah, Richie's funny with that kind of stuff. You remember when Richie was down in the basement and he was asking about glorious purpose and everything, and Karmie was like, I ain't got time for this shit, and he starts walking away. And he was like, all right, I got time for this shit. Just those little moments. Everybody is sort of like, especially in the first season, are totally busting each other's balls constantly, constantly, constantly. But then they're sort of there for each other when they really need each other. There's those small little moments when they're on the episode where they go to the kid's birthday party. I think it was before they get there. They're having that conversation in the car. I forget what the conversation was exactly about, but it was a very similar one they had later on where Richie tells Karmie, you're really the only person in my life that I have. And I was telling Derek yesterday about this, because Derek's still watching the show too, and I was like, yeah, if that's true and that's the only person you have in your life, maybe stop being a fucking dick to him. Stop pushing him away. Everybody's an asshole. You keep running into assholes every day, then maybe you're the asshole. Maybe you're the asshole, yeah. You were talking about Neil, some of the smaller characters in the show, Joe McHale as Karmie's New York chef. I tried to look for his name, and apparently his name was just New York chef. So Joe McHale as Karmie's first big boss, and they flashed back to this a few times, that was sort of part of his origin story of why Karmie is the way he is, why he wants to run that place, The Beef, the way he's running it. There's other episodes, Episode 6, the second season, really gets into more of his origin story about why the way he is, and why Richard is the way that he is, and why a lot of the family is the way they are, and why the family dynamic is like that. But I think you said to me, was that Joe McHale? Because it sort of comes in very quickly, right? Yeah, no, to be honest, I didn't even know that was Joe McHale. So when you told me that, and I looked back on it, I was like, oh, yeah, okay, there it is. What an asshole. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing, I'm watching this stuff, and all these cooks are just total assholes. It's like, I don't know, because they demand so much perfection from it. Yes, probably. So when Season 2 happened, and you got Adam Warlock with Marcus, maybe not necessarily a chef, but he was a baker, like I'm not really sure, a dessert, or whatever special name they have for them. But it was a super nice change of pace. It was just like, wow, this seems like a nurturing relationship, one that you can learn and grow from and not have someone screaming in your face like you're in the military or something. Yeah, I think it's just one of those things that it's been so infused and so entangled in the culture of cooking for so long. You know, Anthony Bourdain talked about this when he wrote his book back in 2000, about that's just the way it is. Cooking for random hole-in-the-wall places in New York City and Cape Cod for years, that's just how it was. They just bust your balls and fucking make you do the work and make you make mistakes, and that's just how you learn, just getting balls deep in the thing and having people scream at you. I guess this is the only way they know how to do that, fortunately. That was an episode I was talking about, Marcus, he had to put these little chips or something into the gelato or whatever he was making, and he was feeling all timid and everything, and he's just like, Adam Warlock character was just like, just do it, dude, you just have to do it. Like, how do you get so good at this, it's like you fuck up a lot, but you have somebody over your shoulder saying, it's all right, you fuck up a lot, don't fuck up next time, or you fucking asshole, I swear to God, if you mess up in my kitchen one more time, I'm going to put you in the oven. Yeah, what's the whole fucking Gordon Ramsay thing, you know, Gordon Ramsay got famous being that fucking dickhead, right? Idiot sandwich with two loaves of bread inside your head. Two loaves of bread. Yeah, I'm trying to find his name so you don't have to say Adam Warlock every time. Luca, Luca was the chef's name that trains Marcus, yeah. Let's see, we were talking about the relationships and the favorite people, I guess my favorite person would probably be Sid, I guess if I had to pick one person, because she seemed like the audience proxy, the person that's in there to explain what the hell is going on and sort of being like, actually, this is not okay, actually. Oh, she's like the most relatable person there. Yes, yes, definitely love the Sid and Tina relationship at the beginning, where, you know, like I said, I went back and watched a few episodes from season one, and Kermie and Sid are like the two people that are in there that are trying to, you know, bring some sort of, like a hierarchy, but also just to bring some semblance of like organization in here, where, you know, Kermie's talking about like, I don't know how Michael did the books, I don't know how he ran the recipes, I don't know how he ran the front of the shop, I don't know how he ran the back of the shop, just very confusing, you know, getting up to speed during the first few episodes, and Sid and Tina have the same relationship, where Sid is talking to her, and she's like, I know you speak English, I know you do, get back here, I'll just ask you a simple question, but then they have a really nice relationship later on, when she basically, you know, tags her as her number two, right? Yep, yep, yep, that was really good, I like that, it's that nice moment, too, where, you know, because they have that little phrase, they'd like to say, yes, chef, yes, chef, and she was like intentionally not saying, yes, chef, you know, she was like, it's a sign of respect, and she didn't respect her, she's trying to change her ways and everything, and then that moment when she finally does, I like it, too, because it's like something messed up, and she was the one that messed it up, Tina, and then like, Sid just, you know, gets everything started for her again, she's like, why'd you do this, I've been an asshole to you, basically, and she's just like, because I don't got time for this shit. You saw, so you're in episode four or five of the second season, so you definitely saw the first episode, where, I believe it was the first episode of the second season, where Sid says to Tina, you know, I'm gonna, what did she say, I know she was gonna send her to, send her and, what's the guy's name, the guy that, it's a tough name, yeah, Abraham, her and Abraham, they were gonna send her, send her and Abraham to culinary school, right, was that the first episode where she says that to her, outside the, outside the restaurant? Yeah, like the plan for them? Yeah, well, there's that really nice scene where they're out there, and she says to Tina, you know, I'm gonna, I want, I'm looking for, you know, an assistant sous chef, and Tina was like, oh, you're gonna hire somebody, she's like, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make you that, she's like, she has this really amazing look on her face for like a few seconds, that's what I like about the show, is they take those, take those moments and those long beats and those, you know, long, drawn out, you know, moments to really, you know, simmer in the impact of these, you know, the terrible words, but also the nice words and the nice moments that they have on the people. Yeah, that's what I mean, like, with the, my favorite episode from season two, I mean, I'm sorry, oh, man, Marcus, Marcus, and, and, and, and I don't want to say it, because you told me his name, Luca, yeah, and they had that, it was like this, this conversation, they were just shooting this shit, they talked about, like, like personal stuff. And then they talked about how they get good at their craft and everything like that. And even Luca was saying how, like, he thought he was like the best and whatever. And then he, there was a chef that was better than him, which I don't know if you remember that episode that well. You think he was talking about Karmie? Because this was kind of like a favor that Karmie called in. And I think it was, I think he was referring to Karmie with all that. But it just felt very relatable, everything they said. And then they bring it back down to earth. He was just like, yeah, so you were kind of like Pippin. And it's just like, who's, who's Scottie Pippin? And he's just like, oh, you know, Michael Jordan. And he's like, who's Michael Jordan? And the guy's like, fuck you, you know who Michael Jordan is. He's like, all right, yeah, we've heard of him. Like, I just, it felt very real, you know, and that was cool. Very real. Yes. What was your favorite episode from the first season? They had the episode seven was the one where everything sort of goes sideways. No, it was, it was seven. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yep. Just all that testing that was, everything that was a bit like, you know, cliche, but this boiling pot that was just going at it for like six episodes before this. And then they introduced like the, the new system they wanted to do. And then everything just, you know, it's just like, and, and, and some, someone got ganked, dude. Like you can't dab in the ass. Yeah. What if it was my asshole, man? Do you get stitches on your asshole? But yeah, it was seven. And I wonder, I actually didn't even catch the winner at first. And then it felt, something fell off when I'm watching it. I'm not good at catching these, these ones like you, but when you get it later on and I was like, you know what? Absolutely. Yeah. Did you think it was the one where they cheated? Do you think they cheated? Yeah. Yeah, they probably did. Because if you, the thing about winners is when you watch them, if there's any part of the shot where nobody's in the scene, like no characters are in the shot, then they probably reset behind the camera. They either, they either did it like live or they like took the camera, shot something where there's nobody there, paused, reset, and then, you know, moved the camera back or they did it all in one shot. If they did it one shot, then it's fine. But like you said, it's fine. It looked really good, but yeah. Go ahead. I saw something that Jeremy Allen White said that they tried it. They did it five times in the morning or something like that though. Yeah. The whole thing. Yeah. It's possible they did it all one shot, but yeah. Like the next time, if you watch something like that, just look for any point where there's nobody, there's no actors in the shot, then that's probably where they cheat a little bit. Yeah. Yes. Let's see. Neil, Rich and Neil fighting after they discussed Neil working there. It was hilarious. The conversations like that is like you're fighting with your brother or something like what? Yeah. Is Neil related to the family? Are they friends? That's a good question. I don't know. I try to look this up, but I'm not sure how he's actually related. It was just hilarious. Like Neil's asking for a job and he's just like, well, I'm HR. He's like, oh, you're HR? Well, can I become a chef and stuff? And then it somehow turns into like, I'll fuck you in the ass if I want to. I'll fuck anybody in the ass. Let me see. Kermie's seven-minute monologue at the Al-Anon meeting was, yeah, it was awesome. Yeah. Just those little moments where you get a little bit of backstory about what actually happened. I don't know if they actually said like, was it, you know, it wasn't an accidental overdose or was it like a gunshot or was it like, you know, however he killed himself? Michael, their brother. Did he say it? Okay. They blew his brains out. Richie said that too. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. So, yeah, that was just, yeah, incredible moment from one of that season. You saw him. You've seen Shameless. I haven't seen Shameless. Was this like, holy shit, I didn't know Jeremy could do that? Or was it like, oh yeah, lip acts like that sometimes. So that's, I've seen that before. Yeah. So I think his character is pretty spot on with Shameless. And so, I mean, when I was watching Shameless, I thought he was one of the best parts of it. Like very talented, you know, his character, it was like this troubled character, obviously comes from a rough household. He's a huge smoker, you know? And relationships for him in that show were very important. Kind of like they are here. Like, you know, he tells people to fuck off, but like at the end of the day, he always seems to like make up with them in the end. But like, he's born to play these characters who's just rage and scream. Like he's one of those guys, his eyes, because they're just so like, he's got big ass eyes, you know? They got big blue eyes. Yeah. He doesn't even have to like say things. Like his eyes are kind of just portraying everything that, you know, anger, frustration, panic. You know, he does it in a way that's not corny, which is pretty awesome. Every angry scene that he ever played as Lip in Shameless convinced you to be on his side, you know, and be angry with him. So no matter the situation, just the way he harnesses all that, it's very frightening. But at the same time, it's like, it's like gripping, you know, like you can't not watch him do these things. Right. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, it's interesting watching the whole dynamic of everybody like him. And Richie seems to like thrive in that environment. That's why you see like, like the episode seven where everything goes to shit. Like Richie sort of, you know, was the only one to really not flip out until he gets stabbed in the ass. You know, everyone else was sort of losing their shit, but he was sort of thriving in that environment, which is interesting. Let me see. So yeah, we talked about Mark's character arc gets, you know, even better in season two. Neil, played by Matthew Matheson, was a real life, is a real life chef and YouTube personality. So it was interesting seeing him in there. What was I going to say about him? Oh, there was a scene, I think it was in the first episode of the second season, where Neil was saying to Richie, Richard Lawrence, I'm telling mom, we got to paint this wall and we need to pull the lockers out. Ma, Ma, hey, sugar, we got to pull these lockers out. You won't call for mom. You won't call for mom. I love their fucking dynamic. I love where he's like, they're cleaning, they're basically renovating the entire restaurant for the second season, which is why it feels so different because, you know, for the majority of the second season, the restaurant is actually closed. So there's all sort of talking about different people's, it's from different people's POV from Tina and Abraham and Mark's POV of them sort of improving their craft throughout the season. But there are some moments in the restaurant and between Neil and Richie, and there's that part where like they're painting the thing or they're getting rid of mold or trying to find the mold. And Richie's on the ladder and Neil's like, hey, move over. Let me, let me look. He's like, you would look fine from there. He's like, no, I want to stand up. He's like, you can see fine from right there. Just a fucking asshole. That's the confrontation. I don't have to go walks off camera, comes back with a bigger ladder and he's just like, oh, okay. It's like that. Uncle Jimmy played by Oliver Platt was incredible. A lot of the moments between, between them three, because, you know, he's, he's pretty much the one that was subsidizing and paying for a lot of the restaurant, you know, that's revealed later in the season. But, you know, that's where they go to his house and have that kid's birthday party. And somehow somebody's annex gets poured into the Kool-Aid that they're, that they're serving to the kids and the kids all fucking pass out. And he walks over like a brother-in-law comes through and he's just like, he's like, oh, man, Eftel Kooler sleep. He's like drinking. He's like, oh yeah. And he's like having a conversation. He's like, man, I feel sleepy. And then he walks away. He's like, I'm gonna go take a nap. And he's like looking out and all the kids are passed out. And it was like, oh, yeah, he's like, uh, don't murder us. But yeah, yeah, he dropped his annex in the Eftel Kooler. Yeah. Even Uncle Jimmy was just like, are they dead? No, I think they're just sleeping. And he's like, yeah, I kind of like the vibe. Good work. Yeah. I love that guy. Fucking Pete Sugar's husband, uh, who's just, everyone just shits on constantly. There's a scene in episode six of the second season where he comes in and just everyone's just like, dude, what the fuck did you just do? So nice. He's so like, he is like the nicest person on the show, but he's just way too nice for the show. Like when we were trying to tell like Harvey to like, call your sister, man. And it's like, yeah, yeah, I'm going through shit. You know, like he can't stand up for people that he needs to. Really? Like, I don't, there's nothing wrong with it, dude. He had to mark him for Karen. Like, yeah, that's tough. They're heading back and he's like sleeping on Richie's shoulder. And Richie's like, get the fuck off. And then Carmen just takes it. He's like, all right. Yeah. You're a cool guy. Like, go ahead and take a nap. I keep forgetting to ask you, do you know people like this? Like Richie and, and fucking not, not necessarily Carmen. Cause Carmen's like cool. But like, I've worked with people like Richie a lot. And it's like, well, how do you, how do you respond to people like that? So people like Richie, I just, I mean, I can't, I walk away, man. I was like, are you done yet? We'll talk later when you're cool down. I got, I got no, like I said, I can't survive in this environment that I'm watching. I feel like when I'm watching all this anxiety or this stuff, I get anxiety watching that. I could not thrive in it. I couldn't exist in this environment. So I don't really have a whole lot of people in my life that I can relate to these characters. Like maybe the closest would be Sid. Like I know somebody that kind of, she, she's really smart. Or actually the person I know, like it's a dude, but like, they're smart, but like, they kind of like her delivery, like tripping over words and stuff like that. Or it's just like, wait, wait, wait. Like what could you, could you, cause this doesn't seem right. Like, and my sister even too, she, she's kind of like that as well. But yeah, for the most part, I don't really relate. Maybe the, the older sister too, or maybe younger. I don't know. Carmen's sister. Carmen's sister. Sugar? Yeah. Sugar. Yeah. I know, I know people like sugar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you meet Claire yet in season two? I think she's in episode three. Yeah. Give her the wrong number. Give her the wrong number. Exactly. Yeah. I was going to say in my last job, I had a lot of managers, the, like the shop leads, the shift leads were like that. And it was always like terrifying to be, to fuck up, to be like, oh, I fucked up. I have to call this guy over. Fuck. That's the deal with this asshole. No, it's always like, yeah, not, not good times. Not good times. I mean, I have co-workers that will fuck with me too. You know, they'll, they'll do pranks on me and things like that. Or yeah, they'll, they'll mess with it. Like I drive a truck though. So that when I get in the truck, I have to, they'll, they'll hook the seatbelts up and they'll pull the steering wheel forward. So I kind of have to like, yeah, do stuff like that. But it was kind of like Tina, you know, setting the burner on high, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a, it was, it was, it was stressful because it's like, they're not, you can't go to, you can't go to HR because there's really no HR at a place like that. So it's like, well, you know, it's Richie. That's not going to help. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But it's also like, you can't be like, oh yeah, he called me an asshole. No, he was just like pissed off for this. He was pissed off at the machine. He was pissed off at the situation. So he can't really be like, yeah, he specifically said, Damien, you're an asshole. No, he gets away. People get away with shit like that because they're just like, oh yeah, he's pissed off at the machine breaking down and he's just, he's pissed off at the situation. Yeah, yeah. Not mad at you, mad at the situation, yeah. Yeah, I guess. I got that a lot, yeah. It's still obnoxious. It's like, come on, like, handle your business. Exactly. One last thing. The music drops on the show are fucking incredible. Um, the first, yeah, the first song we hear in season one, episode one is called New Noise by The Refused. It's that one that's, um, got that like, um, the guitar is like, you know that one? Yeah. Isn't that like what comes up every time like there's a crisis or something? Yeah. Yeah, that riff from that. Exactly. Yep. Um, and you'll hear that at the end of, you'll hear that again near the end of season two. Um, a lot of songs are just like, oh yeah, I forgot like Kenny Crows were a thing and like REM were a thing. A lot of the songs that just drop, uh, during the episode, I'm like, oh, that's a nice song. What is that? Oh, it's them. Yeah. I forgot about them. Um, uh, REM, Strange Currencies, When Claire First Meets Up With Carmi. You heard that in the background in the store, in the grocery store in season two. Um, Bastards of Young by The Replacements. Always love The Replacements. They did a series on them. Uh, Marcus did a series on them on last podcast the left recently. Not, not last podcast. The, uh, his music show, No Dogs in Space. They did a five part series on them. Um, good stuff. Always like hearing that stuff, right? Right. Yeah, absolutely. My favorite, uh, came from, uh, as far as, uh, the Marcus episode, Holiday Road. He was busting out. Like, yeah, he was making the travels. It's holiday and he never just not bopped that. Uh, exactly. And there was like another one at the end of like season one. It was like episode seven or were there eight? Eight. There was eight episodes in season one. Yep. It might've been eight. It was like the, the song that credits roll into what it was like this metal song or, or something. It could have been seven. Yeah. I looked it up and I, yeah, I know which one you're talking about. I think it was, yeah, I have to look it up. Uh, let's see. Holiday Road was actually written by, I, I, I noticed this cause I looked that up too. Um, written by Lindsey Buckingham of, uh, Fleetwood Mac, which is interesting. Yep. Uh, so where do you rank the bear for TV shows this year specifically? Um, successions probably are number one, right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. With a bullet. Yeah. With a bullet. Bear two, I think. Bear two. Bear number two. Okay. Uh, where do you put Last of Us? Last of Us, um, and now that I'm separated from that show a little bit, I could be down at four or five. Yeah. I think I would put Ted Lasso above that. Okay. Yeah. And, uh, I'm not, I'm not too sure. I, I feel like there's a show out there. I haven't really watched it. And when we get to like best of, I'll have something for number three. Ted Lasso didn't really do it for me. And now looking back on it, I think I enjoyed, uh, Ted Lasso better than I enjoyed Last of Us. I mean, aside from like, you know, maybe three or four episodes. Yeah. Like it kind of felt like I was just kind of going through the motions with that show. Started strong, uh, Last of Us. Gotcha. Yeah, it started strong, but it kind of went down. So yeah, I put them down a little bit lower. What'd you got? All right. Um, I would say, yeah, like we said, succession number one with a bullet. That's just there. Nothing. I don't see anything taking, taking that down this year. Uh, probably Barry number two, like you said. Um, I'd have to go Barry number three. We'll talk about that in a second. Um, true Barry. Yeah. Yeah. Barry number three, um, did not finish Mandalorian or Ted Lasso. So I can't honestly place those anywhere. Um, and then Last of Us probably four. And, um, there's still some stuff coming out this year, but I'll put, I'll put something like Black Mirror number five down there. Okay. Yeah. I started watching some Black Mirror. I watched the first episode of it. That was actually pretty wild. It is wild. Yeah. Joe, Joe is awful. Was just like, holy shit. They talked about this on like the watch. They talked to, um, the creator, created a name, but he was saying how that AI thing of like AI created content was that whole episode was written, you know, years ago before all of this started. So very, uh, pretty forward thinking that guy. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, I guess you, you, you pretty much assume that was the future anyways, but yeah, like he kind of did nail some stuff on the head. So hope he's not like right about everything. Would you say like that was the best episode you've watched or that one? Well, I'll do the crop of the new crop of this, this season. Yeah. Probably is my favorite episode of the season. Let me just see if they have a list of all the shows, all the episodes from season five, season six, uh, Joan of Awful was good. Locke Henry. I don't know how many you watched from this season. Just one so far. So Locke Henry is probably my second favorite. If that's the next one, um, after Joan of Awful is probably my second favorite. Um, and then you can pretty much watch the rest of all, you know, uh, the other three, I would not watch Mazy Day or Demon 79. Those are skippable and quite long. Beyond the Sea has Aaron Paul, Josh Hartnett and Kate Mara. Shit. They're all Josh Hartnett. Holy shit. Yes. Yeah, dude. The Hartnett songs has been around for a while. Yeah. He was in, he came back in, uh, what's that show with, um, Penny Dreadful. He's not Penny Dreadful with, uh, that chick from Casino Royale. Yeah. He's been around for a while. 2001, 2002. I remember, like, my girl Pearl Harbor. Yeah, Pearl Harbor, dude. Unbelievable. That movie still makes me mad. That makes you mad? Goddamn Japanese. She is supposed to die alone. She cannot go into the arms of her, his best friend. That is, you know, what is she thinking? Oh man. I was furious. I've grown since then, but yeah, I like Josh Hartnett. 30 Days a Night. Um, yeah, yeah. Good stuff. So yeah, let's just chat about The Bear for a while because, um, you watch this, you, were you caught up with this? Were you watching this week to week? How did you watch this? Um, I really just kind of went through the entire first season within, like, two days. Yeah. And then, then, yeah, uh, it took, it took me a little longer, basically a week to get to the point I'm at right now. Like, it's, it's tough too because it's like, this is one of those shows where I feel like, you know, so I, I like to have discourse about the show, you know, I like to go on red and see what people have to say, but when they put it all out at once, it's hard to go back and just be like, Oh wow. Like episode five specifically. Cause you don't know when people are watching episode five, like they're like, if it's, if it's not all coming out that week, like there's, there's less voices to be heard in the dialogue or whatever. We're talking about Barry now, right? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were still talking about Barry. Black bear. Oh, Barry. Yeah. I want to move on to Barry or you want to say anything else about the bear? No, no. I mean, I mean, I guess I was saying right there that I was disappointed that I couldn't like have that discussion with people. I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah. I was telling Derek yesterday that that is the problem that we're having where Derek is probably around the same place as you on the second season. So I want to have a discussion with him. I don't have a discussion on Reddit, on Twitter, on all this stuff. See what people are saying about the episodes week to week. This, I told him this could have been the show of the summer. This was an incredible show that, you know, lended itself to a lot of discussion. And I think they have, I think Hulu does a lot. They fuck up, they fuck up on this a lot. They have Reservation Dogs come out in August. So they could have very easily like dropped three episodes the first week and then done one or two or even one for the next week or for the next month or so, a month and a half, and then just rolled right into Reservation Dogs in August. Like, I don't know why they had to drop the whole thing at once. Yeah. I mean, I definitely love the week to week format. It just gives you something to look forward to. And I mean, like you said, like this could have been the show of the summer. Like, you know, even, you know, Bill Simmons, like his Prestige podcast or whatever, they started reviewing The Bear because, you know, it's good. So I love their discussion on there. I think it was Charles Holmes and Van Lathan were talking about it. Really good discussions they had on there. I don't know if you listened to it. Yeah, I wasn't listening to it at the time because I didn't want it. You weren't caught up, yeah. Yeah. But after, I'll probably go back and check out my favorite episodes and see what they had to say about that. Yeah. That'd be neat. All right. So yeah, that's The Bear, one of the best shows on TV. And then Barry. Yeah, Barry. This is the one I was asking about. Were you watching this? Were you watching Barry week to week when it was coming out? No, I remember starting to watch Barry years ago and then I stopped and then I kind of just got back into it because I saw, like, everything seemed to be ending around the same time. So I was like, you know what? Like, what do I do? Let's check out Barry. So I started watching Barry and I got hooked on The Barry and ended up getting all those episodes out probably like a week, maybe two weeks. So I ended up catching up to the point where I caught the tail end of the last season. So I got to watch the finales week to week. That was pretty neat. Nice. Yes. So yeah, I just binged this whole thing while playing Diablo. Very bingeable show. Like you said, you know, 26, 34 minutes each episode. I love that. I love shows that are doing that. A lot of shows now are just like, let's do an hour because you can. How about no? Yeah, it doesn't have to be an hour, you know? Like you could tell a great story without doing that. Barry's doing it right now. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So obviously, you know, Bill Hader is incredible in the show. Steven Root's incredible in the show. Sarah Goldberg as Sally was incredible in the show. I feel like Sally and Barry have like, did you feel a similar character arc and character interpersonal relationship similar to two characters on Better Call Saul? Like they both corrupted each other or one corrupted the other over the course of the show? I think they brought the worst out of each other. They thought they were bringing the best out of each other. So I mean, in that sense, like, yeah, maybe Better Call Saul. But I remember talking about Barry before and I described everybody in this show as the worst person, you know, and I remember Derek laughing hysterically because like, he's like, you're absolutely right. I can understand what you're saying. But yeah, I think it was always in her to be a terrible person. Like, look at what happened when she got a little bit of fame, you know, like she had the blow up and she went viral and, you know, she was never happy for anybody else. I don't think that like they were, you know, bringing it out at each other to the point where it's like they corrupted each other. They were already broken. Everybody in the show was broken already. Yeah, because just, you know, binging allowed me to sort of look at that progression pretty quickly. Like you said, Sally didn't really care about anybody else because I was watching it the first couple episodes of the first season and, you know, Natalie played by Darcy Carden who was, you know, in The Good Place and all that stuff. She was her friend for the first season and they were like talking at the bar at the very beginning when Barry first meets them and they go out for drinks later and, you know, Natalie's trying to say something and Sally's just talking over her the whole time. And I thought that was just going to be like a thing. Okay, they're just making the entire, like all of the actors, all the actor troupe, making them out to be like, you know, very vapid, very shallow, you know, as LA people. But then you look back on it and it's like, no, actually Sally was the only one doing that. So that was very interesting. Yeah, they all had their like friendships and such. I just, I thought that like they were all in this acting class and all believing that they were the best thing and no one really kind of escaping that. But like, yeah, like you could tell, like if you remove Sally from that, like everybody would, you know, be like a normal group of people going out to the bar and having drinks afterward. But Sally would always make it weird. And of course, when you get Barry around, it gets totally weird. And then there was that scene, I want to say it was like season, I know it was season four, I'm trying to think it was like later on or earlier on when she takes over the class from Jean, right? And she's doing the class and the one woman comes up and she just is reading like shit. And Sally comes up and fucking does the bear thing, does the Ritchie thing of just like screaming in her face and she gets the performance out of her. But then the class leaves and doesn't come back. And the one actress was there and she's like, yeah, everyone kind of thought you're an asshole. So we all left. Right. Yeah. Which was like a reflection of what Jean did, you know, too. And like, he's just like making her cry and everything. But like she was doing it like maliciously, like, you know, in a way, Jean knew what he was doing because he's done it before. But yeah, I felt like hers was malicious and it was kind of like by accident that she like kind of figured it out. I don't know. Yeah. You know, I kind of characters like NoHo Hank, played by Anthony Kerrigan, just incredible. I was talking to Derek about this yesterday and I felt like you could see the gears behind the scenes of like in the first episode or one of the first episodes, NoHo Hank is in the car when the Chechens are killing the guy because Barry didn't, right? I forget how they actually work, but they kill the guy or they shoot the guy and then Barry comes up and the guy is like trying to change out the magazine or get a stuck bullet out of the chamber. And NoHo Hank's like, shoot him, shoot him, shoot him. And then fucking Barry just comes and one taps all of them. Except NoHo Hank fell out of the driver's or the passenger's seat. Like, oh, OK, that's that part right there where they're like, we might want to keep this guy around. So let's not actually kill him off right away, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think another thing, too, is like, I mean, I don't know how far that can advance, like all the stories, if his character was meant to survive. But yeah, it's like you said, it's like when you become a fan favorite, everybody. I think NoHo Hank stole the show and honestly, it felt like one of those things like, all right, well, people love him and we're not George Martin, so we're not just going to fucking gank him for no reason. Let's keep him around, see what we can do with him. And I really like the way his story turned out. Yes, that, you know, again, spoiler, I guess I should have said up top, but full spoilers for Barry because it's over and we've all seen the whole thing. But yeah, the last shootout, the whole show had really incredible cinematography. They had, again, just like the Bear did, have these really incredible long shots and let these scenes like play out. And you can sort of see every little part of it because the camera's not cutting at all and the camera's sort of there the whole time. The last shootout with Hank and the Raven, yeah, it was incredible. A couple of things, I'm trying to think at the same time, but every shootout scene was semi-realistic. Like you said, Barry could just sort of one shot people in the head, do boom, one shot, boom, head shots to people all day, but then would kind of fuck up here and there. But there was those scenes where Barry would come into like the monastery and one shot people and people were like trying to tug their gun out of their holsters. And that was sort of realistic. And also here where the last shootout with Hank and Fuchs, they're all just shooting each other and some are missing, some are like sort of dead, but not really. And then there was like three guys, three of Fuchs guys are sitting there and one guy loves a grenade and blows them up. And that was the scene, yeah, that was the scene where I was thinking about this because I heard about like, you know, this scene in the shootout, this iconic shootout and how the kid, whose kid is it? Is it, was it Barry's kid or? Yeah, Barry's kid. Barry's kid, yeah. People were like, you know, people were talking about this on The Watch and different podcasts about watching the scene and only focusing on where's the kid, where's the kid, where's the kid. So I was, you know, laser focused on where the kid was and I saw, I think it was, yeah, Fuchs grabs him and pulls him down as the shooting starts to really pop off. So really, really good scene. Yeah, that was an awesome touch. And Fuchs ended up doing like the good thing too and it was like, oh yeah, all right. And you always knew there was something there, like they would never be able to completely turn on each other. It was like the Walt and Jesse, you know, like. Yeah. That's what, but can I talk about how much I love that grenade? Sure. It just pops off and like the ragdoll physics were incredible. Like, like three dudes just kind of like, and the way that the camera was set up, like you had like the full room, you could see everything that was going on and it's just like, everybody's kind of down on the ground and they're groaning and whatever. And then you hear the pop and the grenade goes, three bodies go flying and it's just like, and it's just everything too. Like they even let it like for a second, like nobody was like, like it seemed like everybody was dead or knocked out or whatever. And then you just slowly, everybody's like, oh, oh my God. And then like they're panning across everybody. One guy's guy's intestines hanging out. Like there's just so much to take in and like one scene that you don't expect from like this kind of show. And there's, I don't know, I loved it. That was an awesome scene. The monastery one too was cool. Like they had like these weird effects too. Like Barry felt like John Wick. It was like boogeyman kind of stuff. And yeah, he's walking down the hallway and it's like shuddering between black and white, black and the lights are flickering. And like that guy that he's training and everything, and he just walks up to him. It's just pops him in the head. It's like, oh, I thought that character was going to go somewhere. I guess not. Yeah. Great fight scenes though. I do love the fight scenes at times. It's ridiculous that Barry just going to be taken out with one dude. But like you said, they did make it feel real when he'd get a glazing shot in his arm or like he did get hurt pretty frequently. He got hurt a lot leaving the monastery. The first time he goes in there, he doesn't shoot anybody, right? Because he's at that point where he's like doesn't want to kill anymore. So he goes in there, leaves, but people saw him come in and they shoot him. They shoot at the back of his car and the car crashes and he somehow walks away. But there are those moments of like when he's in, when he goes to the Marine and he says like, you know, this guy asked me to kill you because you're cheating, you're fucking his wife. The cop asked me to, you know, kill you because you're fucking his wife. And he's like, no, I'm just going to take you out. I'm going to, you know, sort of kidnap you and set you up somewhere else in a different state. Just stay there for like a year and you'll be fine. But then the guy ends up fighting him and he like chokes him out, right? And knocks him out. And then he has to fight his fucking daughter who's like a fucking judo master. Unreal. Not to mention like a feral animal dude. She's like flying trees, jumping on a rooftop. It's like, what am I watching right now? That whole episode felt like a fever dream. Like they were inside the supermarket and the guy rises up like, like Jim Carrey after he gets knocked out and dumb and dumber and he rips his heart out. I was like, what is happening? Then like the cops come in and shoot the guy, right? They shoot the guy that's standing there and Barry's like 12 feet away and they don't see him. I'm like, what the, this, so many scenes of like, of like somebody's standing like 12 feet away. Like when Barry's in a, he goes to Sally after Sally goes back to her ex in the hotel room, right? And he follows her and is about to shoot her ex, right? And then just like spins around and she leaves and doesn't see him. And I'm like, how did she not see him or sense him there? Like, what the fuck? A lot of scenes seem like very dreamlike, especially the last like third of the, when they do the time jump and they're living out in the desert. And there's a scene where fucking Sally's by herself in the house. And there's like that in the gimp suit. I'm like, what the fuck is even happening right now? I think it was just like the thing with the truck. Did that actually happen? Was that, did that happen? Yeah. No, I know. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know what I'm believing here. It was, yeah, it was just like a representation of her, you know, PTSD from killing the guy. I can remember she was, she had these flashbacks of a guy in her face and being like, did you stab me in the eye? Right. That dude, that fucking scene, that fucking scene of the guy fucking, I've never seen that before. Like it's actually like all the horror movies I've seen over the years, I've never seen a dude get stabbed in the back of his head and the knife is poking his eye. What the fuck? How do you even think of that? And it was so chilling too. Like when, I don't know, you take the sound out of something, but someone's getting brutally murdered and it's like the background. Like when she had him in that sound room and she's just going off with a baseball bat, I'm like, like, whew. Yeah. Yeah. Again, a lot of weird scenes, like when Barry's in jail and there's the guy that's going to kill him and there's like the three, the three cops there, three or four cops there that are telling him like, here's how it's going to go. We're going to bring you out. We're going to bring you to protective custody, blah, blah, blah. And then there's the fucking random, what's the guy's name? I said it yesterday, but I forgot the guy's name. Fred Arbison was in the back there just randomly, again, like a 30 second cameo where he's just like pointing to the, to the fucking ceiling and Barry's like, that guy's here to kill me. That guy's here to assassinate me. Stop him, get the gun, get the gun. And then the fucking guy, one shot, like again, boom, one, boom, headshotted like four people in a row, but somehow this is Barry. Somehow it doesn't hit Barry. Um, and again, Barry crossed along the floor, pulled up some just random, uh, bulletproof. I don't even know, like a cooking sheet or some shit. Pulled it up the last second. The guy shoots the cooking sheet. The Barry puts the cooking sheet down, pulled out a gun, shoots the guy and the guy could fall out of the fucking ceiling and get tangled up in wires and shit. I'm like, what am I watching right now? Yeah, that was a good one too. That was very good. It's a fun show. Very dark show. Like, yeah, the area is incredibly dark. I love too. I don't know, like the little psychological things they kind of put in there too. Uh, if you notice like the, well, it was three seasons, right? So the first two seasons that always had. Four seasons. Oh, four seasons. Okay. So the first three seasons, I think it always had some kind of like little introduction and then there was like, they go to the title screen. So it'd say Barry and it had like this little musical number. And then when you got to the fourth season, it had like this, it was just silent. There was no longer any, any music to it. And just something as simple as that, just starting a show with just what you remember being like happy. And now suddenly it's just like, it's like when I say it was like beating that person that does with the baseball bat in the silence. It's like, now you got the show opening with that silence. And it was just like totally off putting. Like I was so unsettled going into it. That last, that whole last season was just wild. Which version of Barry do you think was like darkest? Like, uh, like which season, you know what I mean? Like, cause what I'll say, like parent, parent Barry, you know, like 14, where he was just, it was like, that was the scariest thing because now he had like something that he really wanted to like, would protect at all costs. And he was like, looking for excuses to do the things that he did. Like when he called, um, uh, what was his name? Um, the Boston guy, you know, uh, I can't remember the comedian. Yeah. He calls him and the guy's like doing like the, this pastor talk and he's just like, Oh, what if I did this and this and this? And he's like, well, no, you can't do that. Cause that's murder. And he's like, yeah, well, I still go to heaven if I did it for just reason. And it's like, uh, no, you wouldn't, that wouldn't happen. But he finally got the guy to agree or say something like a little, well, maybe. And he's like, good enough, hangs up. Like that, that Barry is just like, uh, when he finds a justification for doing something, it's just like, whew, you're out of, I don't know. Some of the darkest stuff was just like, um, Hank's boyfriend died. And just like the look on his face after that, I think he got, I think the show got much, much darker after that. Yeah. Because they were relying on no whole Hank at that point to be like the comedic embrace. And then basically that whole last season, they just took the humor out of it. And it's just like, all right, like this, this is a, this is what you get. Like you get like these scenes where things that aren't supposed to be funny or funny, like the grenade blew on three people up. That was funny to me, but that's not a funny thing. Like the things don't hang. Everything was a joke to him. But then when, after that happened, it was like this dark side of him came out and this, this haunted side. And it was just like, man, now, now it feels sad. You know, like when you're, you're around, they did have comedic moments though. Like when he was trying to blow up his house with a missile, you know, and it was like, you only brought one missile. Why would you only bring one missile? We're trying to blow something up. And then the drive away, like, what is this? I don't know, just bananas. Yeah. Well, he asked the guy when he comes back, he's like, why did you only bring one missile? I said, don't cut costs. And the guy's like, you only told me to cut costs. Yeah. And not to like food and like stuff at the house. Not like fucking weapons of mass destruction, man. I don't know. He wouldn't be trying to kill people. Buddy. I love how he says buddy. Like buddy. He's like, hey buddy. Hey buddy. It's one of the, yeah, it's one of the roles that he's going to be like known for. It's like, oh, okay. It's just no Hank again in this movie. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you ever like, you know, grow some hair or some eyebrows or something, then, you know, most people won't even recognize them. I bet. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Really great show. I watched this and then it seemed like really dark and it seemed to have like a lot of David Lynchian moments, especially in season four near the end. So I switched over to, after I watched this, I'm watching Twin Peaks right now, which I haven't, I've never seen. And I've seen all of David Lynch's stuff. So especially like you were saying, the last like three or four episodes of season four, very dreamlike, very ethereal, very like what the fuck is even happening. And it's very much what, that's David Lynch's bag. That's all, that's all David Lynch does. So I'm watching Twin Peaks right now, which came out 23 years ago and I'm watching it. And I don't understand how the show was on TV then. If people don't know, or if you don't know, Twin Peaks was like the granddaddy of all this prestige TV that we're watching right now. Things like X-Files would not exist without Twin Peaks. Things like, pretty much anything like Sopranos would not exist. Wire would not exist without Twin Peaks. It is incredible that some of the stuff that I'm watching right now on this, you know, especially inspired, but allowed for like Hannibal, which was on network TV for a while, which had incredible scenes of violence in that, you know, that was the granddaddy of all. So it's very good, obviously. It's one of the best, you know, it's one of those shows that people talk about a lot, where it's like, what are some of the, you know, formative TV shows that brought about this prestige era. And Twin Peaks is like the one people always talk about. But it is fucking wild to think about like people watching, you know, The Cosby Show or like Cheers and switching over to just, you know, a fucking dark ass murder show in the Pacific Northwest, where it's a storyline about like a 19-year-old girl who got trapped into doing sex work and doing drugs because of the, because her father owned a brothel and she worked there. And I won't get into any more of it, but it is fucking wild that this show and this storyline was on TV fucking 23 years ago. It's insane. Yeah, I mean, I always remember hearing about it. I've never watched it, but I mean, it's something that comes up a lot. Yes, definitely. Definitely hugely influential on Barry. So yeah, that's Barry and The Bear. Absolutely recommend watching both of those shows. We'll definitely be talking about those later in the year. For sure. They'll be on there. For sure, yes. All right. So anything else? Anything else on the docket? Want to chat about real quick before you go? No. I think I was watching. I mean, I've been watching a bunch of different stuff. Holy Sunny has their new season come out. Let's see. I started up on Secret Invasion. Oh, yeah, that's fine. I'll probably still have watched. That's one of them. Yeah, that's one of them. I was tired and I didn't want to risk watching Bear and falling asleep. So I was like, you know what? I'll watch Secret Invasion. And then I totally underestimated how boring it could be. So I fell asleep. I don't even know if it's halfway through episode one. I don't know. I mean, I wasn't big on it like other people were going to be. So I don't know if I could be disappointed, but I bet it's still good because Marvel has done that quite frequently in the past. I feel like there's another show that I've been watching, too, but I can't remember. Yeah. What the hell? Oh, yeah, Black Mirror. Yeah, I started up on Black Mirror. So Black Mirror. Yes. I got some stuff to watch. All right, definitely. Yeah, we'll check in. Maybe later on in the year. So you see what we're watching. All right. So for. Can I say something? Hi, I'm Damien. And we'll see you next time. Bye bye. All right. Shop on Deere.