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Kevin and Beth are hosting the Faith Moving Forward podcast. They have special guests, Pastor Oren and Bonnie Sandberg, who pastor a church in Lake City, Minnesota. Oren and Bonnie both grew up in God-fearing families and felt called to ministry from a young age. They met in 1976 and got married in 1981. They eventually realized their calling to pastor a church and took their first pastoral position at Oren's home church in South Minneapolis. They later felt a stirring to leave and ended up in Lake City, Minnesota, where they fell in love with the people and decided to stay despite the financial challenges. They learned that following God's leading doesn't always make sense and that sometimes what may not seem like God's will can turn out to be His plan. Hello, my name is Kevin, and I'm with my co-host Beth, and you are listening to the Faith Moving Forward podcast. Okay, on this episode, we have two very special guests to Beth and I. It is my sister and brother-in-law, Pastor Oren and Bonnie Sandberg out of Lake City, Minnesota. Welcome, guys. Hi, great to be with you today. I like that you still have your Minnesota. Oh, yes, we're reminded of that regularly down here in Tennessee. We keep telling them we do not have an accent, but I guess apparently we do. Yep. So, Oren and Bonnie pastor a church in a small town in southern Minnesota called Valley View Assembly of God, and they have quite a story that leads up to how this all went down many years ago, so this is going to be great. But before we get into that, today's episode is brought to you from The Russell, a historic East Nashville church transformed into a one-of-a-kind boutique hotel. The Russell's mission is to give back to the Nashville community through their Rooms for Rooms program by donating a portion of your stay to local organizations who provide a safe haven for those experiencing homelessness in the Nashville community. Visit RussellNashville.com to book your stay today. Okay, well, could each of you give the audience a quick background of how you grew up, up to the point where you met? Sure, that'd be great. I feel like I grew up with, and Kevin and I grew up with, a great legacy. We had a lot of God-fearing people who raised us, grandparents, aunts, uncles, people who really loved God and were trying to serve God, so I feel like we had an amazing legacy. We really don't have any excuse for not serving God, and at a very young age, I felt the call of God, although I don't feel like He gave me a specific call. When I was 15, I really felt like at an altar, our youth pastor prayed over me, and I really felt God saying that I would be in ministry, but He didn't really say what. Now later, when we went into ministry, I had an aunt and uncle that told me, when I was a little girl, I used to always tell them I was going to be a pastor's wife, but I don't remember that, but it started very young. I really love the Lord. My growing up had some similarities to Bonnie's. I grew up a little different in the sense that I grew up in a south part of the metro area, and so it was kind of inner city. I'm the youngest of five kids, and my father left, claimed to be a Christian, wasn't, and left when I was seven years old. But I had a mom who just really walked with God, and we were in a good church, a real good church that really made an effort to have programs for kids and teens. I guess it had a real effect on my life, both not only giving me things to do and keeping you from being just on the streets, but also I learned a lot, had a lot of people, had good examples, and I was in a place where God was moving in our church. I saw God touch people's lives, how people get saved and stuff, and it was just a whole different thing between my neighborhood or my school world and my church world. I kind of grew up, again, in that environment, and it really offered to me. Like Bonnie, we both grew up in good churches, and they were kind of neighboring churches, so we're all that far apart by the time we met, I should say. Wonderful. Wow. Thank you both for sharing. I know for Bonnie that is so true that God really did give you the richness in your childhood of godly influences, and I'm so thankful, Oren, to hear the God story, how he brought the right people at the right time to really influence you for the Lord and a godly mom. Right. Yeah. Yeah, Oren, I know your mom was pretty amazing in what she accomplished raising how many brothers and sisters? Well, I had one brother and three sisters, and when my dad left, we grew up poor. I don't know how she did it except by the grace of God. It's amazing, yeah. She was such an example. I mean, it was not uncommon to often look for her, and she might be up in her bedroom on her knees with her Bible in front of her, or somewhere else. She daily would seek the Lord. I mean, she just really walked with God. So that was the example I had in the home. I've often teased people and said, you know, I have no excuse except for utter rebellion. I was taught well. I can't claim ignorance. It's modeled in front of me. I can't claim that I've ever seen people, you know, human beings, but serving the Lord. I just have no excuse. Wow. Even in the midst of difficult times, you know, God still has those blessings there. They're there to be had. Right, right. So what year did you both meet, then, and how did you meet? We met, it began a long time ago. No, it wasn't. It's funny to say this because it doesn't seem that long ago, but boy, now that I'm going to say the year, all of a sudden I feel like we've got a couple of relics. We met in 1976, which of course was, wasn't that the bicentennial? Yep. And so it was a big year in a lot of ways, and we didn't know, of course, when Bonnie and I met, we didn't know what the future held individually or together, but we met in 1976. We didn't start dating for a year and a half, but we did meet then through mutual friends. Yeah. So you met in 1976, and how long until you were married from that point? 1981. That was five years later. Okay, cool. It took me a long time to convince Bonnie that God wanted her to marry me. And I'm not sure she's fully convinced yet, but she's going along with it. Persistence, yeah. I love it. That's awesome. How soon after being married did you both start to realize that possibly you were called to pastor or help pastor a church? Okay, now do you want me to start with this one, honey, or do you want to? I kept telling him he was going to be a pastor, and he was like, oh no, oh no, no, no, no, I'm not going to be a pastor unless God tells me to. He didn't realize God was speaking through you, Bonnie. She did not. Let's say I heard Bonnie's call long before I heard God's call, but she obviously had some insight. If I can just kind of put a little detail of depth to this, like Bonnie, during the time we were dating and things, we were very active in our individual churches. I was teaching. I got to preach once a year on a Sunday night. I was involved in Christian bands in a lot of my growing up years. I loved serving the Lord. I was busy. I certainly wasn't sitting around waiting or thinking, what can I do? I had a stirring. When God really got a hold of my life, the call wasn't to pastor, no way, but the call that I received from the Lord early on was to serve him. I knew God was calling me to prepare to be able to share my testimony, to share the gospel with other people, and I was doing that. But this idea of pastoring, it was just... Freaked him out. It freaked me out for a couple of reasons. One, I grew up poor, and I saw pastors sometimes struggle. You really have to trust God because a lot of the time you're trusting God's people to provide for you and make decisions. You feel like you kind of have less control over that than you would if you were out in, let's say, a different career. Secondly, I saw a lot of pastor's kids, and I come from a broken home. I just really felt strongly that curse was going to stop right here. So I valued my marriage. We didn't have children yet, but I trusted if God gives us children and we wanted children, I had no desire to go off and try and win the world and lose my family, my kids, and my wife. Those were two huge concerns for me that God ended up answering and giving me an answer and a peace about. I just didn't know if I could... People come in, they're all over the board with thoughts and feelings and stuff. You're going to deal with a lot of different things, and I just thought, I don't know, am I the one to do that? I wasn't convinced of it. So I would tell Bonnie, I'd say, I'm going to do what God wants, but God is going to have to tell me. I love you, but God's going to have to tell me this. And I've told people for years, there are two heel prints in the sands of time as God brought me home. What I always said was the last thing I thought I would ever do. And yet, if you're the center of God's will, there will be fullness of joy there. His heart is evangelism. It is to this day. So he also didn't picture that those were the kind of giftings that a pastor would have. He pictured more administration and a guy who just was more scholarly. And I think that freaked him out, too. That is interesting. So what was the first pastoral position you took? Well, the first... Again, it's kind of an interesting thing. I grew up in a Pentecostal Santa God church. And Bonnie did as well as you know, Kevin. Yeah. We were very involved. When we got married, we were very involved in our church. We wrestled, though, with where we were going to go to church, as a lot of times couples can do. And God led us. And I had no... I didn't want to have to tell Bonnie where we were going to go. I just wanted to speak the Lord together. I really wanted God to speak to both of us. And he did. He kept us at my home church in South Minneapolis. And years later, we understand why those years have paid off in ways that we didn't realize at the time. So we attended my home church. And I grew up there since I was a child. I mean, it's the only church I ever attended where I was a pastor. But I was also an assistant pastor. I became an assistant pastor. I became a board member there. And then God just opened the door. I had gone to Bible college, but I was not credentialed at the time. But people saw the call of God in my life. And Bonnie was not the only one. I had different people say, you know, you know you're called. Why don't you just... I want to tell the story that really definitely led us. Because we were starting to feel a real dissatisfaction with secular jobs. And we both had good jobs. We were doing well financially, but we just started to feel real restless. And we kept praying about it. And we thought, well, maybe we're supposed to go back to Bible college. Maybe we're supposed to go with YWAM. That was a big deal. We had friends in YWAM, and we really wondered if we were supposed to go with YWAM. And God kept shutting the door, shutting the door, shutting the door. So one night at a Sunday night prayer meeting, down in the prayer room, we were both on separate sides of the prayer room. God spoke to us, and he told us, you will know when it's time to go into ministry. Stop striving. And that word, know, was like in red neon. He spoke the same exact thing to both of our hearts that night. And so we knew that we could just stop striving, quit trying to make a way to go into ministry like the normal way, quote unquote, and just wait and see what God was going to do. And it wasn't very long after that, that our pastor was looking for an assistant. And it was funny because both Orin and I, when he announced that, knew. We didn't say anything. We didn't even say anything to each other, but we just knew. And it was so funny because one guy that we're really close to at church, he said, wouldn't that be hilarious if the pastor showed you? Yeah, that'd be a real hoot. That's what ended up happening, right? Exactly. It really is. And I remember back then, too, Bonnie, remember we said, if this is of God, then God will make it plain to the pastor and to the church. We didn't feel the need to, we didn't want to push anything. No. We had several Bible college students in our church. Oh, yeah. So that would have been the natural thing. But it was really something how we just, we said that. And the church really graciously, they watched us and what God had done in our life over time. And when you fix your eyes on the Lord, if that's your concern and your vision is Christ, others will see that. If your vision is to be seen or you've got something else, people will see that. But isn't that biblical to the body to confirm your calling? Yeah, we really appreciated that. The people who knew us better than the district officials or even the professors at the college or anything, that they would affirm strongly that they saw that call of God in our lives. They could see it. They could see it. When the call of God is on a person's life or ministry, the people around you can see that. So I'm going to move on from the time you felt called. Tell us the story of the steps God took you through to get you to Valley View. Oh, boy. We were very content. It wasn't in our heart to be ladder climbers or we'll put in a few years here and then we'll do this and that. It was in our heart to want to do great things for God. Especially when you're young. You don't know what the future holds. We're going to serve God. We're going to really do great things. Well, we were on staff and we were really fairly content. We were content being on staff. But again, God does a stirring. It's hard to articulate. Sometimes he does a stirring through finances. We are getting to a point where... How do we say this? It's so tricky. It's a good answer. It's a good answer, yeah. And we had actually taken a step back out of ministry just to see. We felt stirred. We didn't know what to do. And we knew we had to get our finances shaped up. So poor Oren was working a paper route at 3.30 in the morning. He was working at a bubble shop on his day off. And he worked for the lady down the street. Anytime Rebecca can call for any yard work or anything that she needed done. And he worked at the church. So, I mean, he was running rigged. And we thought we had to get a handle on our life here. You know, something had to change. It's funny. When you follow the Lord, it'll be different things at different times and seasons. I'm trying to speak to you. Sometimes it's circumstances. Sometimes it's a stirring from the inside of you. It can be all kinds of things. It's not always the same way. But because of some of those things, we had tried different things. We had put out feelers. We had done the things we knew to do. And nothing was working. When we kind of stepped out of full-time ministry, we did that. We were just seeking the Lord. And a door opened up in a small town, Lake City, Minnesota. And we began to, we were contacted if we would come down and fill in for two weeks. Oh, wow. Two weeks here. Just hang with us. You'll understand if you're listening. But, you know, two weeks. That's awesome. You know, I'll go down to some, you know, there's a group of people. They were thought a pastor. I'm happy to go down and preach my little heart out, you know. And so I went down. And it was a very small church. And they were really kind of, they had over a couple of times in their history considered closing. They were at a point like that again. They didn't feel it was God's will to close. But they were, you know, they couldn't afford a pastor or anything. And I went down and I, there's a lot of detail that I'm going to skip over because it's just too long. That's why we get a kick out of the story. But Bonnie didn't go. And we had two kids at this time. And so they were attending another church. And so I just, you know, it's going to be for two weeks. So I went down and I just, I preached this gospel message. And I was just thinking, oh man, you know, this little town and this little church. And it didn't look the best. And, you know, you could tell they didn't have money and this and that and the other thing. But I just, I thought, well, I'll just preach my best little sermon here. And when I was done, I dismissed them. And as I'm putting my notes in the, in my Bible, I was going to come step off of the platform. Everybody, it was very small. It was probably 20, 25 people, including children. Cats, dogs, everyone. Yeah. We brought it. We baptized it. Cats are hard. But don't try that at home. That's another inside story. But, you know, all of a sudden they were all coming forward. All of them. And I looked down at them. Uh-oh, I must have said something wrong or done something. Because they all came forward because they just said, we just know God has called you to be our pastor. And I thought, oh no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Yeah, I stepped out. I stepped out. I stepped out of the position I was in. You know, finances played a big role. And, yeah, oh, now I'd love to come to a place where they can't afford me at all. This is just what I signed up for, Lord. You know, remember, Lord, way back in the, you know, the talks we had about the problems I was having with being a pastor? And I thought, you know, you do the nice thing. You say, you smile. And you just tell people, well. We'll pray about it. We want what God wants. And the Lord knows. And inside, I'm just thinking, ah, ah. You know. So, and I prayed. God totally knew what he was doing. He did. Right. Because we literally kept, they kept saying, will you come another week? Will you come another week? Oh, really? And we literally fell in love with these people. Yeah. And had such a heart for them. And what they were so bravely trying to do, keep these doors open, and have a ministry in this town. And they just won us over. But all summer, I remember, every day, because we were used to God leading us and God speaking to us. And so, we would put it before God. And every day, we'd ask each other, at the end of the day, did you hear from God? Did you hear from God? No, no, no. No, no, no. Why? We just weren't used to this. We didn't understand it. And we were going to think, what kind of guy are we trying to get here? The weasel can't make up his mind, you know. You know, we had some, but this is kind of one of the lessons. For one, Orin always says, there's no such thing as wasted time when you're waiting on God. Right. You know, but, and that's one big lesson. But the other is, sometimes, you can't look at circumstances. Because sometimes, the circumstances will lead you, but sometimes they won't. They'll keep you from doing what maybe you should be doing, right? Right. And so, we have legitimate concerns about our finances and taking care of feeding our kids, you know. But, God wanted us to step out in faith. And so, all summer long, it was like torture. It was. And one day, I was talking to my mom. Hallelujah. She doesn't always, well, you know, she's not quoting Bible verses at us all the time. She just says to me one day, she goes, I was distressing over this whole thing, and she finally said to me, well, this doesn't sound like peace to me. And yet, God used that. God used that. You know, God took that, and told it to you. All of a sudden, the light bulb went on, and I thought, oh my goodness, she's right. Heal is in a peaceable path. Right. And we are in total turmoil here. And so, we finally, after much angst, we finally realized, and Grandpa wrote us a letter, too. That was another key thing that God used. Really? Kevin here is Donna's grandpa, and Grandma were pioneer ministers. And he wrote us a letter that really was prophetic without details. You know what I mean? Yeah. Again, God used it. But it was something to the effect that God's leading isn't always plain. And that sometimes what, I'm struggling for words. Like, you know, what might not seem to be God's will may turn out to be God's will. It had to do with God's leading in our lives. Right. Which is kind of a real key theme in our podcast here. I'd like to, for at least our journey, Bonnie mentioned it, that when you're following the Lord, it doesn't always make sense to you. It's different every time. You can ask God one time, he could speak to you so plainly. What do you do then when you really seek the Lord and you don't hear anything? What do you do when the signs around you are confusing? In fact, things seem to be going in the opposite direction and you're wanting an answer. And I've learned, and what I'm going to say, I've learned it and I'm probably going to have to relearn it a few more times in my life. But I've learned that if you really fix your eyes on Jesus and your heart is to follow him, then whatever phase or stage you are in and however God is dealing with it, it's not wasted time. He may be preparing you, he may be preparing things ahead of you. We don't always know what God is doing, but it's not, it feels frustrating because you feel like it's wasted time. But again, if you're walking with the Lord, it's not wasted time. That's really good. That's right. I remember you graphing to tell us how many are in the center of God's will and it wasn't any big revelation except for he said, wow, that's actually profound because we always want an answer. Am I supposed to be at this block or in this city? Really it's just following him and obeying him. And you understand that that means there's nothing between the two of you, not that there's no relationship. It's that there's nothing that God's having to prod you or get you back on track. You're in the center of God's will and he's not happy to drag you this way or that way. Back to Colossians 3.15, let the peace of God rule and act as umpire, settling with finality the questions that arise in our minds. So often peace is robbed through questions. Could this be God? Is there peace? And if there's not peace, then I'd question it. But even if your brain's saying this makes no sense, but there's peace, there's something there. And that sounds like your story. That's exactly where we came to is when we realized these things. You know, you always say, Beth, that look for the peaceful path. When we said yes, then there was absolutely a shroud of peace immediately. And assurance. Beautiful. God kind of let us know we had legitimate concerns. I mean, they were legitimate. But we had such, I can't tell you why. We don't know why it had to take a whole summer. And we felt like we were stringing this church along. But when we came, we could really say, you know what, yes, we've now heard from God. Beautiful. And again, there weren't the finances, there wasn't anything, but God spoke to us at the same time. That particular night, he told us both four things that we would be doing. And so we went with a mission, a spelled out mission. We went with an assurance. And all of a sudden, all those things you can live with the unsettled things when it's settled in your heart with God. Right. And he didn't ever let us down. Our kids are grown now. We fed them. We got them through high school. Didn't always like what we fed them, but we didn't promise that. That's a different podcast. I know your kids and they're amazing. They are. And it reminds me of that where God guides, God provides. Even if you can't see it, like that is the whole faith walk. It's a journey. It's like, okay, I don't see it all plain in front of me, but that's how you please God. You just step out even though you can't see it all and it's not laid out so you and your brain feel at peace. But you step out and God floods you with that peace like he did with you two. And he provided beautifully for you two and your family. It's amazing. Yes. Absolutely. God has been faithful. Okay. How did you end up at the location you are now at? We got in the car and drove over here. So did you. The main reason we asked that is we know there's a story there too. At the property the church is built on. Oh, man. That's a great story. Again, we'll just always have to understand something. It's probably what everybody gives testimony to God's greatness. There's so many details that it's hard to cover everything. But a couple of major things. So, okay, so we came. We were here about four and a half years. God had spoke to us. One of those four things is we would be building a church. Now let me go back to that first Sunday. I came down myself just to fill in for those two weeks. There was two core families that had really kept the church open. And this one family, they had three boys and they were at school or had moved away. They were gone at this time. And this family took me out to eat after and they kept talking to me. Well, you know, are you even interested? Yeah, we can't afford a pastor but everybody really wants you to come. You know, that's the invitation you pray to God. When you're young, you're hoping that some big church is going to come and they're going to say we're going to give you this, that and the other thing. But what was funny about, okay, so they took me around all over town. They showed me that's a town of 5,000. So it's not huge. Okay, a town of 5,000. Beautiful, beautiful town. And the water scheme was invented. I was going to put a plug in for Lake City because it's pretty cool. But they took me all over and I told them, well, back then, every Sunday night we had a whole different service than Sunday morning. And so I told them, well, I'm going to be part of the afternoon to go over my notes and pray and stuff. But they took me all over and I was just kind of wondering, well, what are they doing? And they even took me down for ice cream to a neighboring town and showed me the river. All this stuff. All of a sudden, at one point, her name was Ruth. She said to her husband, Len, pull over. And so he pulled the car over. And I will never forget this. She said, I run the nursing program up at the Botech in Red Wing. And she said, I usually take the highway, but sometimes I take this back way. And last week, I took this back way and God spoke to me and said, someday, we're going to build a church right there. I mean, it was right, you know, she was just She pointed to a cornfield. Well, it was a big field. I know now, the whole field was like 30-something acres. It was a big area. We're going to build it right to a specific where. And I remember her husband, I was in the back seat, her husband spins around and looks at her and says, oh, I don't think I've been told Len this yet. He's like, what? And why this was so vivid to me to this day is because I remember looking and, you know, I remember looking there and I just thought, well, I love it when people have vision. You know, Bible says without a vision, people perish. Right. I thought this was great that these guys have vision, but two things. And I mean, this is very specific. I remember thinking, number one, a lot's going to have to happen before that ever takes place, you know? And then number two, you know, it's got nothing to do with me. I'm here for two weeks and, you know, I mean, and I remember literally thinking, you know what? Someday though, it would be cool to look up whatever happened to that church in Lake City. I said, I want to remember this because of what she said. And I was just almost going to kind of see what God was going to do and say, I'll be here two weeks. Well, you know, someday, maybe years from now, you know, it would be neat to check back up. Well, God has to have a sense of humor. Well, let him think. Yeah, I did not know that months later we would end up coming down here on literally a wing and a prayer and God told us that, yes, you will be building a church. Okay. So, we worked hard the first two years. We told the church our vision. They bought into it. They believed it was a God. We worked for about two years. We worked real hard. The church grew. God blessed. And so, it was like we are in no position to build a church yet. And we had a very small over 100-year-old building and it was, I mean, it was, it, we worked on it and made it nice but it was, it was what, I just, you know, if rough can't bring any picture to your mind, it's probably not enough. And to paint the picture here, it's, for the listener, this is an in-tone of a very tidy, small-tone, like small-tone America. And it smack dab inside of the small-tone America, an old, beautiful church structure but it needed a lot of fixing up. Did you say beautiful? Well, after you two got a hold of it. Well, that was a good thing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and Beth has beautiful eyes. Well, we thought, I thought, after you had been there for a few weeks and, or maybe a few months, I don't know, and you two did a lot right off the bat. We did work, we did work on it. We worked hard. It was funny, the funny story is when we first got there, the shingle, it was three different colors of shingle. It was one of those really deep roofs. And, and we thought, good grief, I couldn't think of the same shingle color. Oh, wow. Yeah, yes, I didn't notice that. The roof was so steep that nobody would go up on the roof but the one guy, Len, that Arno's talking to about before, and he was colorblind so nobody said anything. Oh! 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