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I'm Julia. And I'm Jacob. And we're the most normal people in the world. In today's episode, we will be discussing Catcher in the Rye and Ripple Without a Cause. So if you have not seen or read those two works of art, we suggest you do so before you listen to this episode, because there will be spoilers and it will help elucidate our discussion. This is very exciting. It's our first real episode on our podcast. Hopefully successful episode. Hopefully successful, right? Let's cross our fingers. Hello to the millions of listeners out there. Today we are going to be talking about the 1951 novel by J.D. Salinger, Catcher in the Rye. And hopefully we'll have time also to talk about the 1958 Nicholas Wray film, Ripple Without a Cause. All sort of falling under this general subject matter that we wanted to talk about, which is the teenager sort of as reality and as a cultural concept that is largely the invention of the post-war era, post-war 20th century, as sort of typified by these two incredibly influential works of fiction. I guess it makes sense that the sort of creation of the teenager, if you will, came about right after the war. I mean, a lot of those, I mean, they were teenagers. Right. Right. And it's, history tells us, or at least, you know, what I learned in my, you know, film studies classes in college is that the, you know, the post-war baby boom, we talk a lot about boomers these days. It literally was an explosion of births, right? After World War II, when the soldiers came home from the war, literally more teenagers than there had ever been before in America, combined with the... In about 13 years. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Which makes Catcher in the Rye kind of a precursor, right? Like the earliest, I don't know, rumblings of this concept that would take off, you know, in about a decade. But yeah, right. And plus the, after the war, obviously America is incredibly prosperous, you know, they shot out of the Great Depression via World War II. And frankly, as far as I know, in America's history, unprecedented economic situation, which led to the expansion of the suburbs, culminating in a situation where teenagers had more influence and more buying power than ever before. A whole new group of people to market to. Exactly. Exactly. And both of the characters, both of the teenagers in these two works of fiction are affluent teenagers. Yes. Yes. Which is interesting. And it's also actually one of the interesting differences. I mean, you know, this is one of the million things we could talk about. One of the interesting differences is an indication, I think, of literally the difference between 1951 and 1958, which is that Holden Caulfield grew up in the city. He's an urban kid. And Jim Stark. David Preble was an urban kid. Right. Exactly. He like, right. Like he wanders around New York City and then he just goes home, which is like, you know, which is in New York City. Right. Each time when I read the book, it's always kind of taking it back. Yeah. That he's so close to home. Right. Exactly. That he just doesn't want to go home. But yeah. And then it's like you were saying, Jim Stark is, I mean, Jim Stark, that's right, my bad. The movie starts with him moving to the suburbs. Right. Right. Which I think he already was in the suburbs. Yeah. Everything is set in the suburbs. Yes. Yeah. And he's so close to the, like, it's a suburb of LA. Right. It is in California, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because they go to the, they go to the Griffith Observatory, which is in LA. Oh, I didn't know that was a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. I've been there actually. Do you see the mansion? No. No. The mansion actually was torn down. Oh, wow. Did they film in the actual mansion? Do you know? Yeah. It was, it was something that they filmed in. The, the William O. Jenkins house, also known as the Phantom House, was the mansion. And it was, yeah, it looks like it was torn down, like, right after filming, actually. That's true. Catch her in the rye. The teenager. Yeah. The epitome of the teenager, Holden Caulfield, who many hate for being the epitome of the teenager. Yeah. Right. Which I think we definitely have to talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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