Cowboy Carter - 2

The speaker discusses Beyonce's attempts to break into the country music industry and criticizes her approach. They argue that Beyonce is trying too hard to fit in and gain acceptance from the country music community by collaborating with well-known country artists. The speaker believes that Beyonce's efforts come across as inauthentic and forced, and they compare her approach to that of other artists who have successfully bridged musical genres. They also suggest that Beyonce's gender may make it more difficult for her to be accepted in the country music industry. The speaker concludes by stating that authenticity and genuine connections with the community are key for artists who want to successfully cross genres. And we're back right here on the Unemployment Line, Doc and Larry P. talking about Cowboy Carter and in the previous segment we kind of broke down like why this even exists but as I mentioned like this is about y'all and Larry brought up a good point like why is it that you know it's such a big deal for us as black people to like make a big deal about people who are not black being specifically music like involved in music and so I thought of some other people during the break like they be trying this a lot Iggy Azalea, you remember Iggy Azalea? Man they even gave Iggy Azalea a black baby. Yeah not I'm it's like she like they was trying to sell that like she could rap. Well that was T.I.'s doing and T.I. was trying to push that girl like that. But they all like they all do it yeah they all do who Bubba Sparks yeah I remember Bubba Sparks but that booty booty booty rocking everywhere was fire though. I feel like I feel like Paul Wall was really in the hood. I think Paul Wall is you know just like John B. you know but he was making grills I think he was already tapped in with that black community yeah and so I think that's the difference is a lot of times when the artists who have some staying power like they are usually actually tapped into the community. What I feel like Beyonce is doing brother Beyonce may be a big fan of country music she may be she's from uh she's from Houston however I have never heard of Beyonce collaborating with any country artists prior to the last few years kind of at this point is like she's trying to bully her way through there and and here's what she did here's what she did this is what she messed up so you pull up at the country music awards with people they don't like now I know they're country artists but you just said I'm gonna pull up I'm gonna be at the country music awards and I'm gonna be I know they changed their name but the only way y'all gonna remember who these people are is for me to say their old name you pull up with the Dixie Chicks right? Who did they change their name to? The Chicks. What's wrong with Dixie? There is some racial connotations to that. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And so they tried to be the woke country artists if you remember anything about the the chicks they um they spoke out very vocally against uh George W. Bush and ever since then they were just like get them off the radio we don't want to hear nothing they talking about they got to go and so for Beyonce to pull up with them that wasn't a good move especially as an outsider you can't be uninvited to the party get a last minute invite and then have a plus one yeah you showed up with the people that don't nobody want to rock with yeah like that this is exactly why people who all gonna be there you pulled up with the chicks yeah man if y'all don't get this girl out of hey man how long she gonna be here she got to go. So you tried to bully your way in you done gave you done gave yourself this reputation of hanging out with the chicks um and now you actually like I'm trying to get my way into the industry and bully my way in and they don't even like you like that and then she also is trying to bully her way in in the corniest way possible it's all right I'm new to the school and I'm a like people don't like me so I'm a go and I'm a talk to the quarterback of the football team and the head cheerleader and I'm a be they friend and then everybody gonna like me so who Beyonce pull up with this time on the album Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton come on man you pulled up with the most who else you gonna Garth Brooks you can't pull up with the the most obvious country artists and expect us to take you seriously like Shelton like like the people the people people who don't even listen to country would know like no you gotta pull up with it with the deep cuts yeah you gotta pull up with uh Luke Bryan uh good old good old uh what's what's buddy name um I can't think of his name but yeah I know a couple of them but you gotta pull up with them like you gotta pull up with the people that they really rock with like if somebody was trying to come over to rap from country they can't do songs with Drake like that ain't gonna work we see right through that we know what you're doing we know what you did you doing songs with Snoop Dogg really they gotta pull up with Kodak black now you gotta pull up with somebody like oh they did a song with 21 Savage okay Blake Shelton Blake Shelton 21 and 21 Savage Jesus hey first of all that sound like it would be fire that do sound like a good song Blake Shelton and 21 Savage like they need to pull they need to get together somebody to coordinate that um but yeah be honest they did it the corniest way possible but I think that's what happens when you don't really fit in with these people it's like you do things to try to fit in and you know you try to do it based off of people's uh off of uh people's like namesake or like people's popularity or stuff like that you think like okay cool like you know if I network with the CEO of this company I should be able to get in wherever but then they realize but we don't even rock with that CEO like that facts like you did yeah that's cool you know the CEO but now at this point we looking at you like oh he over there uh he over there kissing butt it's like um if you got a group of friends right yeah and like one of you like um then you get a new girlfriend new girlfriend come around and all the crew hanging around and everybody's just chilling like watching the game or something and she just ended just laughing too hard at everybody jokes like it's like like quit trying don't be a try-hard and like and again I respect Beyonce as an artist Beyonce's best music is when she's not trying too hard but she is habitually a try-hard and she has no reason to be a try-hard but then Beyonce's a try-hard this is the same thing that happened to Ghost he tried to bully himself into like the non-drug life so he started teaming up with all these people like these big-name people and it really wasn't working out for him he was like if I tie my name to Mr. Tate Governor Tate then I'll be good if I tie my name to this white dude I forgot the white dude name then I'll be good it was really backfiring on him a lot well going along with that line of logic it's the same thing that happened in the wire string of bell was out here oh my oh well what I can do is you know I'm gonna lay I'm gonna link up with the councilman and then they gonna have to start respecting us and then once they start respecting us then we can go legit and Avon said to that man bruh they not going you are a drug dealer man you a drug we drug dealers we need to stay drug dealers but you know but you know what happens Beyonce has a bad role model mmm who's that Jay-Z Jay-Z selling crack Jay-Z as he said hope did that so hopefully you don't have to go through that Jay-Z sold drugs and it's somehow parlayed his career of selling drugs into being the head of entertainment for the NFL you want to know you want to know the biggest difference between Jay-Z and Beyonce he's a man mmm women don't want to hear that though you know Beyonce got a Beyonce yeah I think what Beyonce's trying to do I understand it but it's a lot easier for somebody like Jay-Z as a man to do than it is for a woman to do because they gonna look at her by man who is she who she thinks she is but if Jay-Z like come in with like Dolly Parton or something but oh Jay-Z got Dolly Parton with him mm-hmm they look at it a lot differently if it's a man versus a woman trying to do it they don't look at that woman trying to get in squeeze it in anybody oh look there's Jay-Z let me go shake his head see Jay-Z would probably get away with doing something even less obvious but more appreciated by the country community then Jay-Z would pull up with Darius Rucker right mmm and Jay-Z would they would be like oh of course he pulled up the one black country artist but the thing about Darius Rucker is they like Darius Rucker like they fool with Darius Rucker like they these people that Beyonce pulling up with like and then she tries to do too much like you know if you got those artists that kind of like fit into like a bunch of different categories I think I don't listen to country radio but I'm pretty sure that you could get away with play some of those Post Malone's especially like from his last album he put out you know he be talking about you know he basically is like a hood version of country because instead of drinking singing about Jack Daniels bottles being drank he's he rapping about Hennessy bottles being drank and you know instead of you know talking about you know cutting on some old-school country he talked about you know cutting on maybe like some Keith Sweat or something but he basically singing the same type of country vibe he just put a black twist on it so what he is is he's the white dude that hangs out with all the black people mm-hmm but never tries to act like the black people right he's come he's very much still like it's just hey it's just it just so happy it's not a he's not that I have black friends it's not all my friends black but what do you do hunt and fish like to ride my skateboard every night again yeah what do you mean what do I do right he did he did he don't white kid that like you hop in his car you think that he gonna listen to rap but you know no no no I'm listening heavy metal I'm still I'm still white everybody posted up they got on they got on whatever their stereotypical black people clothes are and he's sitting there with his belt buckle camo deafen everybody up hey what's up what up dude what I do what I do howdy like yeah he's like the opposite of code switching is just like I refuse to code switch but these are my friends yeah like I'm cool with everybody and that's that's post Malone but like I said but that's when it that's when it works it don't work when you feel the neat when you and I think that's also what Beyonce might have realized when she was putting the album together it was just like I'm gonna try to do a country album and then it was just like nah let me just do a Beyonce album and put that yeah another day will be out saying that country like is she that country has a sound to it as well like as far as like outside of the music itself or the instrumentals and all that there's a sound like if you listen to a country song like each country artists like they have that country sound Beyonce don't have that sound like if you listen to cowboy Carter there's a country beat and then here she come singing like it's you know a Beyonce song but then how did how did your boy not your boy make sure I rephrase that how did Lil Nas X then slide past these people well this is how he did it I'm gonna tell you how Lil Nas X did it and I think about this all the time because I'd be like if Billy Ray Cyrus knew what he was gonna turn out to be would he have put his name on that so much but uh Lil Nas X once again a man versus a woman but he came out like that was his first song on the map so you know I said he came in there with the country sound like we really thought like Lil Nas X was gonna be like this black country we thought it's gonna probably be the next Darius Rucker and then it was like no they were like and then and then like like you said like like I said as a man like if Beyonce if Jay Z show up with Darius Rucker Jay Z show up with Dolly Parton it's like cool he had Billy Ray Cyrus backing him up and he was like look man like if this boy won't do country y'all gonna let him do country and see that's another thing uh I pulled out somebody who's obvious but it's somebody they rock with and it's not too cliche it wasn't like right like put it this way Billy Ray Cyrus hadn't had a hit song since his one hit song like the most popular thing about Billy Ray Cyrus between Achy Breaky Heart and Old Town Road was Hannah Montana it was clearly your child like it was not it was never like man Billy Ray Cyrus greatest hits it's just gonna be Achy Breaky Heart over and over and over again and then right at the end bonus track Old Town Road remix yeah so that's how Lil Nas X got in but like I said we really like but he had the sound he had the sound if you listen to Old Town Road you're like oh this sound like country sound like a black country guy we didn't know Lil Nas X was going down so you've made this one a couple of times but let me ask you this do you feel like women or more feel like they want to be in those spaces than men do well it's one of those things like for women itself I mean and we know this is like everyday life um black women you know when they do the total pole of like excuse me the total pole of like hierarchy you know white women and black women are at the bottom right white women are like slightly above black women but they still like at the bottom society like women women are mistreated at a higher rate than yeah so it's kind of like they all like hey regardless of race yeah they all have to basically do a lot more to get their foot through the door you know they got a they got a you know walk a certain way you do all this and you know it's kind of like when you were school I remember when I was at school and uh like you have the mean teacher or you have the cool teacher mm-hmm and then like I remember one like woman telling me one time she was like we don't have the ability to be both you know say either we gonna be mean or cool like with the with the male teachers like they could be both oh shoot mr. Thomas man you cool bro but then at the same time when you say hey sit down like they sit down with women either you the cool teacher and like if they say sit down about how miss miss uh Williams you tripping shut up or the teacher gonna be like sit y'all butts down and then they're like man she sold me godly I hate that woman they don't have the ability to be both mm-hmm so like you just gotta like I think it's like basically if a if a man does it his view does like strong leadership the assertiveness a woman does it she's a B and so like it's like man I can't be I can't work so yeah it's like Beyonce trying to do it and it's like oh she tried to bully her way Jay-z trying to do it oh that's cool Jay-z come on when we come back I want I want to Tom I want to touch on that a little bit no diddy it's the unemployment line