A & A Speaks Episode on Lucid Dreaming

The transcription discusses various aspects of lucid dreaming. It mentions that during sleep, we go through multiple REM cycles, which can result in experiencing multiple distinct dreams. Lucid dreaming involves being aware and in control of the dream, and it can be practiced and developed over time. The effects of lucid dreaming on tiredness vary from person to person. Flying is a common experience in lucid dreams. Lucid dreaming may not be helpful for finding lost items, but it can be useful for exploring decisions and processing thoughts. The concept of time dilation in lucid dreams is also discussed, with pros and cons depending on the individual's goals and mental effort. The ability to fully change the dream can vary, but it is possible to manipulate elements within the dream. Overall, lucid dreaming is a subjective experience that differs from person to person. the closest to being awake, it's not the deepest part, and we go through multiple REM cycles while we sleep. So I think the average is four to six REM cycles, where it will take about two hours to get from one cycle to the next. And that's why some people may experience multiple dreams, four, five, six, you know, sometimes more dreams that are very distinct from each other at night, is because you may be experiencing some lucidity or just dream recall during those times of REM sleep. Yeah, that's great. Thank you. Because, yeah, I forgot my science aspect of REM. I know it's the rapid eye movement, forced through the trees. So yeah, that was a great, great question. How often, Lilac, do you have... Not necessarily. It definitely can allow you to feel a little more tired when you wake up, because you're not... There's a piece of restfulness, because your brain is actually in a waking state. And so we're not necessarily allowing that full, you know, cool down, I would say. It's very interesting. So chaining your lucid dreams, that can be where you become aware, you become lucid within a dream state, right? And something causes you to kind of pop out of it, whether it's emotion. Sometimes it's just the fact that you get excited, that you're like, oh, hey, I'm awake, right? And it's kind of like in meditation, when something comes across, and it's like really cool or interesting, and it kind of pops you out of that mindset. But the more you practice, then you can kind of fall right back in to where you left off, right? And so it's kind of building up your muscle memory or your ability to stabilize. And so you'll see, as you chain them, you can get a longer period of time before the lucidity dissolves, and you just kind of go back into that dream state. I hope that that helps. Do you have anything that you'd like to add, Adfein? Yes. So I'm going to kind of go against what you say with lucid dreaming making you more tired. If we get down into the physiology behind dreaming and either dream recall or lucid dreaming, I would think that technically, since your body is still inside this REM state, it's just that you're able to be cognizant of it. I wouldn't say that for sure it would make you more tired or be exhausting. If anything, it might make you just feel more literally mentally exhausted from all the things that happen during your sleep. So I don't think the act of lucid dreaming is not going to make you more tired whenever you wake up, but it may feel like you've been thinking a lot. Yes, mentally. Yes. So more mental exhaustion rather than you didn't get enough sleep, just your mind's already been working so much. Yes, and I'd agree with that, too. There might be other circumstances. If you have sleep apnea, anything like that that could interrupt would cause you to feel more physically tired as opposed to mentally tired. Yes, and then the flip side, too, is some people report feeling more refreshed and more ready to take on the day after lucid dreaming. So it is one of those things that's a person-by-person basis. It's not going to be cut and dry. Absolutely not. One-size-fits-all is not going to have any kind of application here because it's up to the individual. Let's see. So Mr. Mage asks, do you have a default lucid dream? So, yeah, do you have a go-to lucid dream you default to if you don't have a task in mind? Personally, no. I've never really thought about trying to make myself have a default dream. Honestly, one of my favorite things to do in lucid dreams is to fly because it's so freeing and that's probably the most common thing I'll have inside of my lucid dreaming. That's pretty awesome. I'm like you. I do not have a default. I just kind of let everything happen as it may. And the funny thing is that flying, I notice that a lot of people report flying. That's a really big thing and I have maybe only once ever experienced flying in a dream. Yeah, for me, a lot of times whenever I'm lucid dreaming, I'll be like, I would like to fly now. And I guess just that logical sense of my brain just goes, no, we're not going to do that. And it's frustrating. But I know I'm dreaming. It's my dream. And that would be a good topic to explore, too, after we're done with some questions is exploring those nuances of if you do realize you're dreaming, why doesn't your dream go the way you want it to? That's a good topic. Yeah, it is, for sure. So Lilac asks, would lucid dreaming be useful for finding lost things or retracing steps? And I'm going to say that it can be yes and no. The reason I say that is because our minds are so imaginative. They can come up with pretty much anything. And at the same time, lucid dreaming is not going to give you access to tons of memories that you haven't had. It can in some instances. But if you lost your keys and you don't remember where you put them, having a lucid dream probably isn't going to help you find the lost keys. Purchase a tile, put it on your keys. But yeah, retracing steps. I find that lucid dreaming could be useful in the sense of maybe thinking about a decision you've made and looking at the possible outcomes. So in the way that, you know, retracing steps goes, I would say it would be more like thinking about decisions that you've made or things that you, decisions that you haven't made yet and kind of, you know, process it and see what happens. Kind of like, kind of similar to your thought on that, Ed Fang. It definitely could be useful in certain aspects. But that's a lot of waking intentions that you have to kind of, so if you think of it as work, then yes, it can be very beneficial. The more you practice something like that, exploring, and you can use it to explore inner memories and attention and recall, which some of the studies do say that that is helpful for because of the different areas of the brain that get activated while you're lucid dreaming. So, yeah, it definitely could. I would say it would take a little bit of probably practice and development. And then on the other hand, you know, your mind could take you through a fun house. And so, you know, it would depend on your internal language. And, you know, if there's so many different things, right, because we don't even have any really definitive clue and understanding of how our brains really work. But if you if you would set that as your dream goal, and don't do it as a one off, like do it consistently three, four nights in a row, then when you become lucid, usually on that fourth night, then, you know, start exploring and see if you can find and retrace those steps. So hopefully that helps. Okay, so for Mr. Mage's next question, and I touched on this earlier, can you talk about intentionally lucid dreaming for subjective time dilation, and its pros and cons? Yeah, you want to start that one? Sure. So so I'm guessing by what he's asking is he's talking about, you know, those dreams that feel like they, that they never end, that they last for hours. And I'm thinking, you know, and we have to keep in mind that physically, these REM cycles only last for, what did you say, 13 minutes? Yeah, an average 14 minutes. So an average of 14 minutes, how much can you get done in a lucid dream, whenever you know? So I'm going to answer it first, starting out with Einstein's, you know, description of time and relativity, where he described, you know, if you stare at a clock for a whole minute, it feels like it takes forever. But if you kiss a pretty girl for a minute, it goes, it's away in a second. So I think with lucid dreaming, if we're going to try and do anything meaningful, that will take a long time, like, let's say, you're, let's say, you're able to, you know, work on some type of problem. And you're going to want that time to take, you know, you're going to want as much time as possible. Your pros would be, you know, being able to work on that problem for however long, but the cons are going to be, since we're in this dream state, and we're not able to completely focus on something, that your results may, may come out not as well as you, as you want. Because everything in a dream is subject to change pretty much at any time, no matter how well you are at dream control in lucid dreaming. But specifically for the issue of time dilation, I think we, if you're looking for any con, it's just going to be the, how you feel whenever you wake up after that dream, and how much mental effort you put into it, I think is really going to be the biggest con. I rambled there a little bit. No, no, no. And, and, and so that's the con. What's the pro? Oh, well, well, you know, like I said, the pro could be, you know, you have a really long, nice, lucid dream. And the way he phrased this, it makes me think that he's asking more of, you know, you're doing this purposefully just to extend the amount of time in your dream. So you can do, you know, a number of things in a dream, whatever you would like, if it's possible for you to, you know, change the dream to do that. So, basically, kind of going a little off topic, whenever I'm lucid dreaming, I find it a little difficult to fully change the dream that I'm having into something completely else. So, like, if I'm walking in a park, it's going to be hard for me to, like, transition this into, you know, some type of fantasy dream, like something really crazy and out there. It kind of stays within the structure of the original dream, but you're able to change things inside of that dream. If that makes sense. I don't know if you experienced the same thing. That makes sense to me, like, as you were kind of mulling over what you felt Mr. Mage was really kind of asking, like, I don't know if I'm a one-off, so I'm going to phrase this in a form of a question. Have you ever experienced age within a dream, either age regression or age progression within a dream? You know, thinking about that, I don't think I've ever really paid attention to age of any sort. At least in perspective to myself, I haven't, you know, looked into a mirror and noticed myself younger, older, or felt younger or older, but whenever it comes to other people, I may notice them as younger or older, just depending on situation, what the dream's about, all kinds of other things, you know. Okay, but when we're talking about time dilation, right, and so we're working on tasks, right, there's something that we want to achieve, and it may take us longer, so I, and that's why I'm asking, if I'm the one-off where I've actually seen the kind of experience, the age progression within a dream, right, even though I was lucid and very much aware, the tasks that I was working on took, you know, an extensive amount of time, so we're talking almost like living out an entire lifetime or close to within that lucid state, so that could be a one-off for me, because I've also experienced age regression, where it was like sometimes you kind of have to take the hourglass and turn the hourglass back in order to work on whatever this said task was, does that make sense, or is that too out there for everybody? Well, an hourglass only flows time one way, and it's always running out. So I've had dreams that feel like they've taken days or weeks or months even, and, you know, coming out of those are like, what in the world happened, like, did I just, you know, sleep for so long that I had such an extended dream? And I've had something like that, but I can't say that I for sure have noticed a definitive, you know, age progression or regression during a dream. I mean, it would be cool to try and really see if I'm able to do that, but I'm not sure what the benefit of doing that would be. Right. So I mean, pros and cons, it can be, you know, beneficial. Yeah, you feel like you achieved the task at hand. But with that much, and I hate to say it, but I don't really have another another way to describe it. But when you are using that much energy, right? So it can, those are times when I definitely would say yes, mentally taxed. So there is that kind of sensation when you awake that part of it is, I got it done, right? We feel successful. But then on the other hand, you're like, what the hell happened, you know, because mentally you do feel fatigued. So it kind of is a tightrope, maybe balance each other out. So that would, you know, almost negate one for the other. So I'm not, I'm not exactly, I mean, I'm aware that it happens, but I don't know that there's necessarily a pro or con. I think it's just subjective to whatever that experience is, would be my final answer. His next question is, in your experience, is it easier to communicate with other layers of consciousness in a lucid dream, such as an alt, the higher self, the unconscious mind, or any other, you know, you know, your inner, anything like that? I'm, I'm sure you're saying so. I'll let you go first. My answer is 100% yes. I find it that much easier to connect and explore the higher self, the oversoul, however you want to describe it, and actually kind of meet. So you become aware of that, that aspect of self. And yes, as far as exploring, like, subconscious ideas, boundaries, and bringing them to light, bringing them to the surface, yeah, I definitely would say that it is much easier because in that state where you're, you're conscious, you're still dreaming in a dream state. So subconscious is still active, and you can create a much easier flow because you're not going to get in your way like we do in the waking world. Like, you're not going to, there's not going to be as much self-doubt. So if you're like, oh, hey, you know, I'm getting a message from, from my higher self and you're like, you know, is it really, is it, are you creating that, that language, that, that level of discussion or, you know, all those things that we may say when we're, when we're receiving information, as opposed to, you know, a lot of times because we're interacting with, with being, so you would be interacting with a representation of yourself and, and you can really kind of dig in and dive down into those more hidden aspects. So my answer, 100%, is yes, what about you? I would also say yes, for pretty much the same reasoning. I think it's easier for me to talk to my subconscious or my inner whenever I'm in a dream because it happens more fluidly. It's kind of like it, you know, it, instead of having to work to do it, it's, it just kind of happens and you don't even have to, like, think about sharing that information. You, it just happens naturally. But yeah, I would say definitely it feels easier to communicate. Yeah. And you can definitely explore so many, so many more layers and levels. It, it can be, you know, a really fascinating study if you allow it to be so. Yep. So Mr. Mage's next question, how can you tell the transition from, that a dream has transitioned from a lucid dream to astral projection? How can you tell when that has occurred? It's a good question. It is a good question. So, due to the nature of the astral plane and the possibility of things, you could pretty much do anything, but whether or not, you know, it's effective or real is a question. That, that is, that's going to be difficult for me to answer. Let me, because generally whenever I project, you, I just have this knowledge that I am projecting because I'm able to easily communicate with other entities and beings. But I, you could argue that inside of a dream you could also be doing that. You could also be communicating with other entities or even things that your brain comes up with for you to communicate to. I would like to say that developing some form of reality checking inside the projection versus your dreaming to see if, you know, maybe this is a dream. So gosh, pretty, there's so, whenever we're talking at this level and while unconscious, they're going to be very hard to separate. What about you? Well, usually for me, it is a very clear and very definitive, different, like everything kind of shifts. So it's like, oh yeah, you're in a dream. Oh, oh, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm dreaming. This is kind of cool. I'm, I'm aware of, you know, everything around me and I can shift some things. And then you, it's, it's almost as, it's a very jarring experience because you're in that moment and you're like, I'm, I'm dreaming, right? I'm awake, I'm conscious, got it. And then when you realize that, that you were no longer in your physical body and you are like, whoa, I'm in a dream, but I just popped out. And so there's this, this definite, I guess to me it's very jarring because you can look, it's almost like a person in person, in person perspective, if that makes sense. Can you, do you, I'm kind of following you. So it's, it's, it's like, because of how the brain is working or the consciousness is working, like some people have a really hard time understanding how it feels or what it looks like to astral project. Right. If you've done it enough, you're, you're kind of, your consciousness is kind of aware. So it, it's almost as if you are on the outside again, on a further layer outside of, of that. So, so you can see that your body is, is sleeping, but you also have access. It's almost like you're watching a projector, right? So, so it's almost as if you're watching a projection of, of the lucid dream, and then you're out of the body and, and it's, you know, it's, it's really bizarre. I don't know that it's even within the scope of, of normal. I can tell you, like, one of the big times that I experienced it, I was like, really kind of, I was very disturbed. I was very disturbed. And I was like, whoa, because I was completely disoriented. Because I actually, within that, within the moment of lucidity within that dream, I woke, I was still asleep, but I got up. So, I had left my body and stepped into the restroom, but everything was, was rearranged, right? So the door, the toilet, everything was, was in the wrong place. And I'm like, I'm having a hard time finding the light. And then I turned and looked and I'm like, holy shit. I'm still asleep. Like, my body is still there. But I mean, so I physically felt myself pull out of my body and out of my frame and like, you know, I had headgear on and I was like schlepping this around. So like all of those sensations were very active. And then it was, it was very clearly like a projection of a dream. So I was watching, you know, that lucidity, but I was also experiencing, you know, aspects of, of astral projection or being out of body. You know, so again, it's, it's happened more than once. So I would say it, it does and can happen, but it's, it's very jarring. Yeah. I mean, I hate this, this is kind of a cop-out answer, but whenever, whenever you're either well for me, whenever I'm either lucid dreaming or astral projecting, it's, I can just tell the difference. It feels different. Things look different. You notice things that are just, you know, that are specific to one or the other. And I mean, it may just be from, you know, lucid dreaming and projecting for such a long time. But I think once you've done both and then you have a lucid dream that progresses into some type of projection, you will, you'll feel it, you'll, you'll know that you're no longer, you know, just dreaming, you'll, you'll feel that you are projecting somewhere. Yep. 100%. 100%. You, you know, like, and that's it. It's that, it's that shift in, in that reality that are so, it's so completely different because it's, it's there and then it's like, not. And then it's like, this is, this is a whole new complete realm of, of, of strange, right? It's, it's a whole level of, of strangeness. So yeah, I mean, it does happen and, you know, can people control it? I'm sure that you could, but in my experience, it's usually been fairly spontaneous. I don't know if, Chaos, is there anything you, you have to add as any questions on that further? Nope. I'm good. We can wait to see what Chaos says. Chaos, I, I would agree with you there because when I had that really intense experience, that was my first thought was I had, I had kind of shifted dimension. That was where my consciousness went because it, because like I could, that's how I knew I was out because everything was very, everything had kind of changed. And then within that dream, I was aware of what was going on, on the other side of the wall. And I knew that I was still sitting, you know, in a chair, sat down in a chair outside of my body. Cause I'm like, Hey, this is really cool. I'm going to watch this. And, and everything in the room was, was reversed. It had moved. And while I was in that lucid state of consciousness, watching this projection, I, I was like, I wonder what I could hear a lot of noise going on on the other side of the wall. And so that's when I focused and that's how I knew there was still, I was still lucid dreaming because part of the wall then dissolved so I could kind of peek through and see what was going on in the other room. It's really not something that, you know, I'm, I'm mentioning it briefly here, but it was a really, it was very disconcerting for me when it happened. That was another, that's it, I finally lost it for sure moment. Welcome in Mr. Mage. We asked, we already answered all your questions. So you're going to have to listen to the recording. No, we have not, we have one more, we have an Inception question. Okay, I'm sorry. We have one more. We have. Yeah, so, so I'm gonna read Mr. Mage's question and it's, have you tried Inception-ish things before dreaming? But before we kind of answer that, I want to clarify. So I did a little bit of research. Yes, I'm familiar with the film, but I wanted to look at if there was any kind of information about Inception dreaming and of course, yay, Mr. Google never fails. There is. So Inception dreaming is the process of implanting an idea into someone's mind without their knowledge using mind control or manipulation techniques. And it's a, it can be a form of a dream within dreams. So there's that clarification. Oh, yes, please, Chaos. So we're actually hearing from X right now. And what Chaos X said is that it seems to me that both of you shift into a parallel reality when you project, which is not uncommon, but not all do. And they're saying now if I might try speaking because one of my fingers have gone off mid shift here. Okay. Hello, Ruby. Welcome, Mr. Mage, by the way. All right, I think my speaker is functioning appropriately. Can you all hear me? Yes. Yes. Perfect. I am in a vehicle right now. So it's a little hard for me to get everything set up. Let me gather my thoughts here. So what I was intending to say when I typed before we shifted and things went wrong. So in terms of astral projection and lucid dreaming, my comment was that some people when they shift, they will move into a parallel reality, which I believe is what AK Lady was referencing there. And that would account for all of the slight, almost continuity errors that you were observing when you had shifted out of your body. Because you are now in a reality that matches, excuse me, very closely with the reality that you're currently in. If you shift over, there will be continuity errors where you are. I know for ourselves, we each shift slightly differently. For instance, when I will shift out of this body and off onto the astral plane, I can move between dimensions fairly fluidly. And I've observed the same thing, which is it's almost like a set of mirrors where each one is slightly different than the other. So if I shift, say, in my bedroom, one reality of the current one I'm in, everything is identical. If I shift over slightly, now say my bed is now on the opposite side of the room, my door handle is in a different spot, and that's almost infinite. You can shift between parallel realities as long as you want, and there will be a slight change each time. And then there's shifting where you move into a completely different dimension entirely, or completely out of the astral plane. And that is a lot different than what you see when you make that initial shift. And I at least have found that I can travel pretty far. There is no limit to how far you can go, because that connection to body is still there. It's not like you are, say, passed away, which would be different, and you become a spirit. And at that point, you are completely detached from your body. That's a little different. But that was what I was trying to say, was, it sounds like you shifted, but you shifted into a parallel reality without even necessarily meaning to, hence the confusion, not to mention that you also suddenly realized that you were, in fact, successfully disconnected from your physical body at that moment, which would cause even more confusion. Thank you for sharing that. Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you, Chaos. You're welcome. What about you, Edsing? How did any of that resonate with you? Well, I was just going to say, personally, whenever I – I see what he was saying. And for projection, I feel that depending on either my mindset or potentially different vibrational levels, things can look differently, especially whenever we talk about the physical plane or the etheric plane. So I'm not sure I would say that I shift into a parallel reality, but I can understand his viewpoint and what you may have experienced. I always find it really fascinating that we talk about the same things, right? And we have, a lot of times, very similar experiences. But there are such subtleties within all of these aspects that kind of layer on top of each other but also can remain succinctly individualistic that really is a fascinating piece for me. And I think, in my opinion, that's why it's really important to be as open as we can and as comfortable as we can with sharing these, because there is no right or wrong answer for anybody's experience, because it depends solely on the self. And so it's the little finite pieces that really help determine and put it in a language that we may understand. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. We all may have a different term or a different way of explaining what's happening to us, but in essence, it's the same thing that's happening to each of us. So, you know, I don't like getting down into terminology or, you know, this thing can only be called this one thing because we may understand it as something different. But as long as we have that understanding that what we're doing is pretty much the same thing and we're getting the same results, then that's pretty much where it works fine for me. Right. So if we, you know, if we all sat down and drew a map of what we experienced the astral plane to look like or to be, it's going to look very different for each of us. Right. Because, you know, it can be very much be an aspect of your greater consciousness and not necessarily, you know, your mind will filter into it, into part of the construction because that's how we understand. Yeah. So, so going back to Mr. Major's question, he was specifically asking of a way of going deeper into your own mind rather than someone else's mind. Yes. I will. I will definitely say inception in that aspect of kind of pulling out the nuts and bolts and maybe there's a problem that you have that you're working on that seems to be really elusive in the physical, right? Or in the aspect of your reality that you're experiencing it. You can, you can take pieces apart and, and kind of delve in to find, I have done a lot of past life healing through inception type dreaming. So it's, it's really kind of going in, reliving, exploring, understanding what, what the purpose was and, and, you know, what, what was I supposed to take out of it? So then again, we're working with, with our higher self for a deeper understanding and, and kind of taking the puzzle apart and then putting the puzzle back together. That allow for a deeper level of, of healing and understanding because I feel once we understand, we can then put it to bed, so to speak, and, and kind of look at, look at it as, as an experience that was required for the soul, for the evolution. What about you, Essing? Yeah, I was going to say that, really, I don't think I've done it intentionally, but rather it, I've, I have it happen. I would say 25% of my lucid dreaming is experiencing dreams within dreams where I'll, I'll wake up from the dream that I'm having and then realize I'm still in a dream and then, you know, it continues that way. I think I've had, like, four, four to five nested dreams in one, in one night's sleep, I guess, that, that I've experienced. I don't think I've tried to go, to dig deeper into my own mind, except in these cases where they just happen to occur. Well, I mean, that's really cool. I mean, to have that many dreams within a dream is, is quite impressive. It sounds cool, but it's really scary. Yeah, well, right, right. I mean, the, the one that had, the one that had five, I think it was five dreams, I remember literally jumping up from the bed, running into the hallway, and then, like, making sure the doors were real, like, it got to a point where I was like, all right, I'm, I'm done with these dreams, I, I'm, I want to wake up now, yeah, like, whenever, whenever your, have you ever had a reality check succeed in a dream? I'm, I don't want to answer that question. Well, well, in, in this case, after the second dream, some reality checks that I did were, were real, like, they, they happened, like, I, I couldn't, you know, push my finger through the wall, or, you know, I, things weren't dissolving, and I was like, okay, you know, I'm finally back awake, and then, like, 15 minutes, it feels like goes by, and then you're like, oh, my God, I'm still dreaming, and it's, it's like the, it's the strangest thing. Yeah, Mr. Mage says yes. It, it's, it's really disconcerting when it happens. Yes, for sure. But I mean, that's the whole nature of kind of the dream world and the dreamscape itself. There can be, you know, a lot of very uncomfortable things that can come to light or that we may experience. I found it really interesting that a lot of nightmare experiences for people will lead to lucid dreaming experiences. I don't have a lot of nightmares. So maybe that's why I find it, that's a really fascinating piece or connection. But those also only last for a very short amount of time, because, you know, when we talk about the emotion, which is kind of what pops you out of a lucid dream or out of a dream in general, that, that's a, that's a very interesting component for me. Yep. So, yeah, are there any other, any other questions or do we feel like everybody has, has a good understanding of what lucid dreaming is? Are we interested in setting some goals and maybe sharing different, different methodologies or techniques with each other to help? What's, where's everybody at? Because you can actually get deep enough that with lucid dreaming that you can collectively lucid dream, which I found really interesting as well. Yeah, I was going to say my next suggestion would be discussing shared dreams and things of that nature. So, it's okay, Mr. Mage, we've got time. He, he left. Okay. He states that they have lots of vivid dreams, however, they tend not to get lucid and they let the dream play as it is, which is fine. Oh, Lilac, I love that. So, she said she's glad that she popped by today. This was fascinating, but it's like a buffet and I don't know what to pick. I would have to put some thought into my intentions when practicing such a thing. So, and that's great. Thank you for sharing that, Lilac Laff. I would suggest starting a dream journal. And, like, I really find the idea of the reality checking throughout the day a really great aspect to building and helping develop any type of lucid dreaming. One of the other things that was mentioned was good sleep hygiene also can help with lucid dreaming. And so, you know, making sure that we're unplugged, you know, a good hour before we, before we head to bed or getting yourself on a good sleep schedule and making sure that you don't have, like, a lot of unintentional interruptions. So, like, with your phones or stuff like that. But yeah, there are lots of good techniques. Yeah, I think it's really fascinating. And it's just another rabbit hole that everyone can go down if they so choose. And there are so many methods out there. That's the great thing. It's like, give yourself, you know, I listed, what, six or seven different methods. And if you give yourself, you know, on average, six weeks to a couple of months per method and see how it works while you're keeping that dream journal, like, you'll be able to identify what method or you may feel like the mild method isn't quite as effective for you. And you move on to the next one. And so, you can work on the two together. Oh, wow. We have, that's a great question. Can you describe what you're asking as far as, like, if AP versus lucid dreaming versus remote viewing can be a way to remote view? Or what exactly do you want to delve down into? So, I guess the thing I was trying to say before multiple thoughts happen at once and X started trying to talk, shut up. So, because they're all ways of accessing reality in a different viewpoint, I guess, is the, I guess the question I'm trying to ask is, do you feel like they're all different facets of the same, like, root action? Or do you feel like they're all separate things? Because it feels to me like when I do them all, they're all a similar approach to that, but they're different, too. And I don't know how to categorize it. So, if we look at each of them, so let's start with astral projection. Astral projection itself is actually leaving your body and having a projection. Lucid dreaming is, you know, just having a dream, but being aware of the dream and being able to manipulate the dream. And then remote viewing is looking at a location somewhere else remotely, but you're not actually projecting there and you're not doing bilocation, which would be like kind of moving your presence there. They can all do some things similarly. So, like, for AP lucid dreaming and remote viewing, you could technically remote view using astral projection and lucid dreaming, but you can't project while remote viewing or lucid dreaming as far as, like, the definition goes. So, at the point that you would go from, you know, remote viewing to actually projecting there is whenever I would switch, you know, defining what you're doing as, you know, astral projection or half projection or whatever. And theoretically, you can do both at the same time. You can remote view and project at the same time. The same would go with lucid dreaming, I would think. Technically, you could lucid dream and have a projection happening at the same time. Yeah, I agree with most of what you said, Adifeng, because remote viewing to me is the hardest, is the most difficult to kind of hammer down, because I really feel that remote viewing, yes, is your consciousness accessing something further away you're perceiving. But there can also be an aspect that maybe not intentionally people may bilocate with them, but I think they're all extremely close in what they are, because they're all aspects of your consciousness to me. That's how I perceive it. And so astral projection is the one that's probably a little more formal, because we are moving part of our astral form into a different location or into a higher frequency, higher dimension, higher space. But there, and I know I've said this already probably too many times, but I feel that there's a very close connection between all three of those. Now, whether or not it's something that can be practiced and developed or is more common to happen spontaneously, I think I could get into the weeds there. But I definitely feel like you can, where you can be astral projecting and remote viewing. So you could be in a, right, so say you've projected yourself to an aspect on the astral plane, and from that point, you can bring your awareness to and try to focus on something else in another location, which would then be combining the two pieces together. Lucid dreaming, where you become very much aware that you're awaking within a dream. There are a lot of different avenues I feel that a person could take that ball and run with it, because anytime we're really exploring the deeper levels of our own consciousness, it's kind of like a really deep meditation where I think that you get more bang for your buck, because the more you understand the self, the more it allows you to understand, you know, things that may not have clear understanding of when we're kind of more located just solely in reality. So that's a huge rabbit hole that I could probably lose. I would need a lot of time dilation technique to work on that one. So I'll stop there. Yeah, I guess that does make sense, too, because I know, for me, when I try to do, like, astral versus remote, I have to be very careful where I am and when I do it, because for me, the line between fully projecting and just remote viewing is really, really thin. Like, I can start remote viewing and slip completely out of remote viewing into, like, astral projecting almost immediately, sometimes completely involuntary. I guess that was what I was trying to get at, and I guess that makes sense what you both said, because not to mention the weirdness of having multiple of us in here, because one of us can go off and do one thing, and another can go off and do another, and then the collective return can just be completely jarring when we both get back, because one of us can stay operational, and the other can just go do whatever we want, and then all of us can leave at the same time, too, and then it's even more jarring when all, however many of us went, came back, so I guess that was what I was trying to get at in the end. No, which makes a lot of sense, right? Chaos because, I mean, you're a system, and so you have multiple beings of consciousness housed within your frame, you know, so that would make total sense to me, and I can see where, I think for some of us, it might just be how we're tuned, because I experience a very similar issue to you, remote viewing and astral projecting. It's a very slippery slope, right, where someone like Ad Seng who, you know, can really kind of focus and hammer in. It might just be, you know, an energy issue, it might be a frequency issue, it might just be, you know, how practiced we are, so I'm glad you shared that. I would say the, what you were saying with the differences in energies and being on different levels of experience, that's something that I think people forget and is very important as well, because, for instance, I'm very, we both, like Chaos was saying earlier, we're both able to do that, we're both able to voluntarily split, we can do things by ourselves together, but sometimes that, if we do it jointly, that can get very offset rapidly, because we both exist, obviously, in the same frame, but our vibrational capacities are completely different, so that, again, like you said, that's another very important thing to remember, and it's even more apparent when we do it, because one of us might do one thing and go so far, the other might do another thing and go so far, and it changes. Like I said, I can switch between realities rapidly, but Chaos can't necessarily switch as well yet, but they're also very much, I guess, not chronologically, but spiritually younger than I am, and so it's just a different approach entirely. Yeah, which makes total sense. I hate to cut it short, I do thank everybody for joining us today. If you feel like it, if you want to pop on over with us into spiritual chat and we can continue the conversation, that would be absolutely amazing. Would love to hear thoughts and ideas, and then everybody feels like they can have an open floor to share and discuss with us. So from the bottom of my heart, I would like to say thank you, everyone, for joining with us on our podcast today. Lots of great information, thanks for listening to me. Adfang, thank you for being here as always. No problem, I'm glad to be here. Let's take this over to spiritual chat, and have a wonderful rest of your day, everyone.