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Coach Darius Gilbert, owner of Dynamic Sport Performance, was a guest on the Spirit of Coaching podcast. He recently traveled to Brazil to run Level 1 and Level 2 DSCCC courses. Darius is proud of the progress he has made as a coach and wants to share his knowledge with others. He believes there is a need to teach coaches how to use kettlebells and elevate themselves in a clinical setting. He wants to help coaches understand the power of their training methods in rehab settings. Darius focuses on educating clinicians who have invested a lot in their education and wants to bring new solutions to the traditional sport world. All right, folks, welcome to the Spirit of Coaching podcast. We've got our first repeat guest here today. That's Coach Darius Gilbert, owner of Dynamic Sport Performance based in Alexandria, Virginia, proud to say that. And more than that, he's been my friend for over a decade and just have tremendous respect and affection for Darius. Welcome, Darius. Thank you, Coach. It's exciting to be back here again. And being the first repeat, that means a lot to me. So I'm excited. I'm excited ready to go, as always, Coach. Thanks for everything. Thank you. It's a pleasure. It is fun. And so look, there's always some stuff to talk about. We'll riff on some things today. There is one topic, though, that I think you're really starting to get into. And I'm not sure anybody else in the country is. And that's exciting. The purpose of the Spirit of Coaching podcast is to bring new solutions to the traditional sport world. And I think you've got something here. So let's dive in here. And before we do that, though, tell me a little bit about what you did recently. You had fun down in Brazil. Tell me about that. That was amazing. Well, we took a group of about 14, 15 coaches. Originally, we had maybe 25 coaches signed up. And for other reasons, people couldn't make it. But it was a great group that we took. And these are some of the most dedicated people I've ever seen. Getting to Brazil, it's really tough. It's expensive. It's time away from work. And so I'm just so glad and proud and appreciate the people that came out to participate. We ran our Level 1 and Level 2 DSCCC courses, workshops. And I can't say enough about how being in Brazil and being able to work with people, how it just comes full circle to where I started as a coach. And now, a lot of the things that I dreamed of as a coach and helping people out, they're here and they happen. And so I'm just kind of proud of it. I pat myself on the back a little bit there just to like, wow, you've done it. And you've gone international. And it is, I still can't, I'm still thinking about Brazil right now as we have this interview today, this podcast today. So yeah, it's a lot of fun. We'll definitely go back and do it again. So it's a very proud moment for me and for the company and our coaches as well. That's awesome. That is so awesome. Someday I'll join you with that. That sounds like so much fun. And we all get to see it via social media. So anybody who's listening, they want to, you want to see a little bit about what Darius did down there with his clients, calls them his coaches, and check it out because it is spectacular. And what's really spectacular about it is that they are all having fun. The comments that I saw was, were things like, this is the hardest thing I've ever done. And I love it. That kind of approach there, which the, hey, the gung ho coaches, which we'll describe here in a moment. They like that stuff. And it's more than just tossing people around in some, I don't know, artificial setting, like some of these crazy races that go on. No, this is all about really learning how to train the body and then some, and the mind as well. And we'll get into that. I think that your certifications are next level. And we see it, I think I see it at least from the quality of the client that step into the door. Your client list is, are people who have invested a lot in education. There are doctors of chiropractic, there are doctors of Western medicine, there's all sorts of variations in there of clinicians. And that says a lot. It really does. Your journey in the strength training business, I think about what you just said, you dreamed about it, of being international, and you did it. It happened. And it happened, I think, at the right time. And you were, like all of us, you started off in a humble way as a trainer at Gold's Gym. Gold's Gym. I just remember being so, so nervous having my first client. And it's like, when she came in, I was like, oh, God, what am I going to do? I don't know what to do. I was pretty shy. And just being in that setting one-on-one with the person for an hour, like, it really, it scared me. And now people, I'm looking for people who will listen to me now. And so, to see where I was, to see where I've come, it's just, it's amazing. And I have a story that I'd love to share. And I think anybody with the passion that I have for helping others, I think you can do the same thing as well. That's cool. That's cool. It's the passion for helping others. And we feel it. Your clients feel it. It's awesome. So what are you seeing out in the world right now that piques your interest? Well, I think, you know, I see a lot of, I'm glad that, I'm glad to see that how the kettlebell has taken a special place in the fitness industry now. And people are really in love with it. In saying that, I still think it hasn't arrived fully. It hasn't been fully embraced. But we do see people who are building great businesses via the kettlebell. They're starting to train athletes. And more importantly, I think what I'm seeing right now is that I think there's a need to dive even deeper. I think everything's on the periphery right now. And what we've done, what I've done, and I like to, my goal is to continue to educate and put my coaches in front of some of the best who I've learned from. And so what I see now is that I think there's a need to teach coaches, show coaches how you can actually use this and to elevate themselves as coaches, but to get into the medical settings, now the clinical settings now, and be able to use the teachings, our methodologies to rehab athletes. Over the years, now when we first began, when I first started using kettlebells, I never understood, even though Mike Davis was in my studio, and he was learning, he's the strength coach for the Wizards, I never understood how I was able to get people out of pain. And yet I knew physical therapists who would struggle getting people out of pain. There's a lot to it. I'm not going to say there's one thing to it. But the two things that I think that we were able to accomplish at DSC was we got people stronger, we made people feel well, and mentally that helped them rid the body of the natural just aches and pains that they were going through. As I got more and more into training and started to learn from the life of Dr. Perry Nicholson, Dr. Charlie Weingrof, Dr. Craig Liebenson, and I'll even put Dr. Ryan Chao in there as well, you just start to learn why this is happening. Now, I understand it, but I feel like a lot of my coaches, our DSPCCs, they don't understand it as much as we do. And I just think there's an opportunity to help them understand how powerful what we do and what we've taught them can be in a clinical setting, in a sympathetic, in a rehab setting. And so that's kind of where I want to go with it. I just want to teach them a little more right now. And I think what we've done is that what we're, what we've been working on is the right time right now. Let me jump in just to help the listeners here. Darius's label for clients here are coaches. They're not necessarily, in fact, most of them are not a sport coach, which is usually the word we're associating that with. That is our language at Dynamic Sport Performance for everybody's a coach, basically what it ends up being. And I think it also is a reflection, and you can correct me if I'm wrong here, it seems like in the world of, in the world of, that you touched on, clinicians meet strength coaches, meet sport coaches, there's a blending in there. And I think the word coach is applicable within all of that. It covers everybody. So it's easier language. It's, yeah, it's a new way to speak. And I think it's really illustrative of what we're trying to talk about today, which is that we've got, I don't know, from, I'll give the layperson's perspective here. I'm deeper than that these days, but I'll try to interpret. From a layperson's perspective, they look at life as a whole bunch of people out in the world who have to be there to contribute. They have to go to somebody who has a white coat on for medical stuff. They have to go to another white coat for an orthopedic issue. And, oh, then there's somebody who's not in a white coat, but they've spent $100,000, $200,000 on their education to become a physical therapist. And, oh, there's somebody else out in the world that's called a strength coach. And so there's a whole bunch of people participating here, and it didn't even get to the mental-emotional side or an energy worker or anything like that. There's lots of people now who are out there. The people that you seem to be focusing on for your education and certifications for people are these clinicians that are highly educated in the traditional sense. They understand probably anatomy very well. Is that right? Yeah, that's correct. That's correct. And I think if you look at the typical, what we call a PT meal, it looks nothing like what you would see at DSP, which is a movement competency, making sure we're just getting strong from the ground up. And I think there's a lot to be learned within the medical community. And it's just not your average using TheraBand, just their typical protocols that they use there. One of my favorite things from Claire Frank was that the best PTs make less than the worst PTs because the best PTs can get you out of pain much quicker. And that's just something that's always stuck with me is that, you know, in your typical PT clinic, they're talking three, four, and five weeks. And so I know from studying Mike Davis, Charlie Weingrock, where I've seen them deliver, get people out of pain instantly. And that's something that I've learned over time as well is that if we're doing the right thing and we're doing what we're supposed to do and we understand the patient or the client, I should say, it shouldn't take that long. And there's just some things that we've done over the past that I want to bring to the forefront that I think that works. And this is why I'm bringing people like yourself, Dr. Charlie Weingrock. It's not just what I do. It's a combination of the mental, the physical therapy piece and the strength piece. And I just want to bring it all together to a group of people. And again, not just clinicians, but our sports coaches as well. And so it's bringing more good information to the industry, which again, I look at the industry right now. It's a different right now. It's a little different. And I just think we can bring something special to the industry in 2024. So this is where I wanted to go. And so let's paint this picture even more clearly. You want to have clinicians learn more about how to use the kettlebell in order to help their patients, because we get to use that word with them. They are doctors, help their patients get out of pain, stay out of pain, feel good in life. Is that the right explanation? That is so that it's spot on, Coach. You think about the kettlebell, the versatility of it, right? We shouldn't have to come back to a clinic to learn how to use a kettlebell or do your rehab. And so that's just the versatility of the kettlebell. We can go on and on about the power of it. But the fact is that it can be doing a lot outside of the clinic that requires somebody to come to the clinic. And once the clinicians that I meet, they normally start including a kettlebell program into their clinic, which is like, okay, well, we've gotten you back strong. Now let's turn this into a fitness solution for you as well. And so it makes sense to the people who I've dealt with and I've worked with in the past. And I just want to continue to grow that piece there. Wow. So there's a lot on that, what you just said. There's a business piece related to fitness. Let's stick with the pain piece right now. I think for a lot of listeners, who haven't spent as much time around the clinicians as you and I have, they would say, why would a physical therapist need to learn strength training? And it's an interesting question because we give a lot of credence to the traditional education system in our country. And you figure if somebody's got their PhD in physiotherapy, they must know. And that's not the case, right? So what is, just tell us a little bit, what's happening in the physical therapy industry right now? Well, I think one of the main issues that I see is that if you look at typical PT protocols, they really don't use resistance training. They don't use overload or too much load at all. I think they kind of shy away from load. And I think that's the exact opposite of what you want to do in a rehab, when rehabbing somebody. Having someone deadlift 10 pounds as opposed to 100 pounds, that plays with you mentally as well. Most people don't think they're strong or they're going to get hurt. And so with strength training and strength coaches like Charlie and Mike, they not only do they understand it from the PT side, but they understand it from the strength side. And they'll tell you that the obstacle is the way, that there's no way you can adapt without stress. And so if you're in a clinical setting and using TheraBand and light loads, that doesn't do anything for you mentally, physically, psychologically, physiologically, I think you can put that in there as well. It's that we really, in order to rehab and to get strong and to get out of pain, there has to be some kind of stress for the body to adapt to some sort of stress. Wow. So let's stop there for a moment and just paint the picture really clearly here that the traditional education that these men and women are getting at even the top physiotherapy, physical therapy schools in the country, they are not learning the strength training piece of it. They're going to have to learn it afterwards. You're providing that service. The exceptional people are the ones you've named. And I bet there's not a whole lot more that are like them. So Mike Davis and Charlie Weingrof, they both have extensive educations within the physiotherapy world. They're both doctors of physiotherapy, correct? Yes. Yes. And they are both experts in strength training. Yes. And that's the difference. Yes. And so that's just a rare person that's out in the world like that. And these are your friends. These are your collaborators. And I love seeing that because it is a new way of going here. I know from being the dad of an athlete in high school and college that when they get hurt, oh, man, you don't know who to go to at this point, because when you get educated enough from hanging out with you and other high quality people, you realize that when you go to the physical therapist, you have to be looking at this closely. Because if you were going to a physical therapist, even one that has been recommended by your orthopedic surgeon or general practitioner, you just need to stand there and look. And if they have one person with rubber bands shuffling around between 10 people in the corners of the room and just five minutes with each person, you need to walk out. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. That's not going to work. And it's so funny. I always tell a story because I'm not a doctor, but I want to tell a story. When I would have kids in pain, I would make them make the trip up 95 and go see Charlie Weingraf in New York. And Charlie would instantly say to them, well, why are you here if you train with Dario? And it's just those types of things. Again, if we need somebody to do any mobilization, that's one thing. But if that isn't the issue, then it's just strength training. And I know that if you talk to some of my coaches who are PTs and doctors in Cairo, and they'll tell you, well, we just listen to you. We don't even follow what we learn in school. We just like whatever you taught us, that's all we do. And, you know, just hearing it from your coaches and your peers and having people go see Charlie and Mike Davis and they say, well, you have Darius, you don't need me. I didn't go to Temple and graduated the top of my class like Mike Davis, you know, but yet he thinks that just as valuable as a rehab specialist as he is. So that's awesome to hear. And strength coaches are everywhere. What has been repeated? I mean, you're a kettlebell expert. What is it that they are impressed with with your techniques? Again, strength coaches, they're everywhere. They are everywhere. Well, I think the kettlebell definitely lends itself to rehab. There are certain things about rehab. Again, it could be emotional. Feeling strong, I think, is really important. Freedom of movement. Movement variability, I think, is really key. The kettlebell allows for all ranges of motion. I always say range of motion training is strength training. I think with the barbell, it's kind of limited. And most of the medallions, they're limited. It's just the nature of the kettlebell where there's always the opportunity to absorb force and stop force and reproduce force. So that those are athletic attributes in nature. And so you can use one tool that can do that. And again, I just think just being able to grab something, the hormonal response that you get from working with kettlebells. I always ask my clients, how do you feel after a session with us? And they always say, fantastic. They don't come in feeling that way. Then I'll ask some people, how do you feel after a barbell or some other hit or whatever they do? And they're like, I'm fatigued. I'm tired. I'm worn down. You kicked my butt. Well, that's not it. And so I think the kettlebell lends itself to, it's just the perfect tool to teach people how to absorb forces, produce force. There's this irradiation aspect of gripping. So one of my favorite exercises that I would recommend for any shoulder patient was just any type of kettlebell carry or grip or bottoms up carry. It exposes your weaknesses, which is really key. I think a lot of the kettlebell exercises are unilateral. And so you get a chance to expose one side as opposed to the next. And you get to address those sides independent of each other. Those things all lend themselves to a strong rehab protocol. And we've seen it. I've seen it so many times in my life of people in pain. And they say, you know, like, oh, Gary, that's still amazing. And so there's definitely something to it. Yeah. That is the key. Yeah, it's remarkable. And it's hard for anything. I go through this with what I do for my clients with the non-physical stuff with EFT and process healing method and all these things from energy psychology. You can talk about it all day long. You got to actually do it in order to feel it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I mean, the kettlebell has just a different feel to it, especially, and I would say you must learn from a master. I think the kettlebell is like any tool. Like in Karate Kid, it comes to mind. You can use those chopsticks to catch a fly in the air if you're with a master. That's right. The thing with the kettlebell is you got to learn from somebody who really knows it. And I'm really happy, again, as a parent of an athlete, that we're at a point in time where there's going to be physical therapists out there who will understand the kettlebell and promote it with their clients. That's just a game changer. Game changer. Like I said, it's from a business solution. And so, again, I've been invited to go on a chiropractic clinic. I forgot his name. This is a big group. They wanted to talk. They wanted me to come on and talk about using the kettlebell in the rehab and to boost business and to start another business. And again, I have some coaches and people I've worked with who started using kettlebell classes. So even just to see chiropractors and PTs add a kettlebell class to their existing business tells you exactly what you need to know. It's such a powerful thing. And the people don't want to stop. And the physicians, they see, like, why would we stop? Let's create a class there. I don't see them really diving into classes in CrossFit and barbell classes. Yeah. I mean, think about it from a consumer standpoint. Who you're going to trust is always the issue. Look, we're all conventional in some ways. I'm going to trust that person at First Blush who has the doctor nomenclature in front of their name. A prefix of DR, period, means a lot in our society. So if you get a doctor who also has a kettlebell class, oh, my goodness. Go after them first. If you have a PT doctor who believes in kettlebells, that's your first choice. It's always going to be your first choice. If they've worked at a higher level, they are RKC or Strong First or DSDCC, that has to be your first choice because if they have experience, they know it. So one of the main things about the kettlebell is that even with me, when I first was introduced to it, I was around it for a couple of years before I even said, okay, let me take a look at this. It took 10 seconds or just because a guy just gave me an 88-pound kettlebell, he said, hold it and walk with it. What I felt going through my body as a natural athlete, I was like, I've never felt this way before. There's something about it. Please teach me more. It didn't take 10 seconds. So you can't really talk about it. Nothing really disturbs me right now. But I hate to see people talk about a tool that they've never used. They don't know anything about it. They've been using it for 22 years. And I always say, well, we get people out of pain. We don't put people in pain. If you're hurting people, then there's something wrong with that. And also, Scott, we'll go back to what's the first rule of the coach is to make sure you do no harm. And so if you're harming people, and I see a lot of coaches who are hurting themselves, and then they go look for PT. And I'm like, well, this doesn't make any sense to me. Like, first of all, you shouldn't be hurting. What are you doing to yourself, damaging yourself? And you're the actual coach. So what are you going to do to your clientele? Second of all, you should know how to rehab yourself, unless we say they require some type of mobilization, some type of one-hand work, some hands-on work. Well, go see a PT, manual therapist, or whatever you have to do for that. But why are you seeing a PT for rehab, though? So somebody that doesn't use the tool that you use, someone that doesn't know anything, it just blows my mind. And so I hate to see our coaches hurt, and then I see them getting physical therapy. I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing? This is, again, a big point here, because most people who are not familiar with this conversation would say, well, what are you talking about? You get hurt, you are supposed to go to a PT. Well, you know, again, you better choose the right PT. And what we're advocating, you're advocating here is that it's a – the ideal scenario is a clinician, a doctor, who obviously does the other therapy, physical therapy, who also is an expert in kettlebells. Yes, yes. That combination goes hand in hand. And I've been contacted by several companies who want me to teach just that. How do we use this kettlebell to get people out of pain? Teach us the right way. Teach us how to – so we're teaching our clients how to use it properly, not something we've gotten off YouTube. How do you do it? And so in saying that, with all these people reaching out to me, I thought it was time for us to create something to where we can get it just like our DSPCC, where we can get it out to more of the mass. And we've been working on this. I've been working on this project. We've been working on it for just about a year now, and it's the perfect time for it. I think we've gotten everybody excited about it. What's the name of your product that's coming out? It's called the DSPRX. DSPRX. DSPRX. And again, I've been working on it with a couple of our top coaches here. And it's so funny. Again, it's based off of DSP methodology. And it's like it's our work. It's our stuff. It's our research. It's our training. But these coaches, again, these are doctors, both of them. Oh, yeah. They're doctors. They own their own clinics. And so they own their own clinics. And so they teach kettlebell class. They use the kettlebell exclusively for rehab. And again, another thing about this is that we want to empower people. And I think I hate to see someone walking out of a clinic or rehab setting not to know what to do and not how to train themselves. And so I think it goes way beyond just what you're doing in a clinical setting. It's like, okay, what do we do when we're out of the clinical setting? So we have something available for people once they're done with their rehab. Well, you continue this because you need to be able to move well and be strong the rest of your life. You don't just go to rehab and you stop. And so I think that's another piece to it that we're really excited about is that people continue to get strong and train. What I like about it, too, is that, yeah, thank you. I think there's a common language that is being spoken here. And I'm using that metaphor. The kettlebell is appealing to the clinician. The kettlebell is appealing to the athlete. It is appealing to people that I worked out with, which is just the general population who may be former athletes, whatever it is. And everybody can be singing from the same hymnal, if you will. Obviously, there's going to be different loads and progressions and regressions on moves. That's really amazing that we can do that. Well, and another thing that we talk about rehab is this training without just training in the presence of pain. And so just because you're hurt doesn't mean you stop training. And I think that's another thing that people don't understand. There are ways, you know, in fact, you want to get more into strength training and to rehab. And Charlie coined this phrase long ago, which I thought was just brilliant, which is training equals rehab, rehab equals training. I'm like, wow. I'm like, wow, that's it. Yes. And I give kudos to Dr. Weingroff, Charlie Weingroff for that, and also to others. I know my other guest in this genre is Dr. Ryan Chow. He believes the same thing. And you start to see these really highly educated, intelligent, inquisitive, curious, lifelong learner people, and they're all starting to come to this conclusion. And, man, that's just, that's super. If we don't have people who are willing to tune into new ideas here, we're just going to keep doing things that are wrong. And we will be convinced that they are right. Because people love to buy into status quo. They love to say, I'm into the best thing here. This has to be right. You can pretty well be sure that it's not right if you believe it's 100% right. That's right. And that's pretty tough. I remember my last conversation with Dr. Chow, and he said, Jerry, I just mainly focus on how I talk to the client. And I was like, yes, exactly. You know what I mean? That seems like, you know, it's the same thing that I do, but basically I'm talking to them in a different manner. I'm talking to them about strength, about being stronger, not avoid this, don't do this, don't do that, and having people, I'm scared to actually strength train. Yeah, the power of this verbal programming is people just don't understand. And we're all relearning it now because we have to, because we're doing it. And we're putting so much stress on ourselves, on society, that if we just use the status quo out there, man, we're going to break. We are breaking. And we're also, that's a good thing because there's the yin and the yang and the universe here. When we get pushed to a depth, we're going to spring back because that's the balance that has to be there. And I know that we're getting better because we're getting stressed. So in a strange way, thank you, universe, for all the dastardly stress that we are living through right now. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And I know, I'm going to ask you one thing here. I know that in your program, there was basically four buckets that you want all of your coaches, again, these are clinicians learning kettlebell, to be competent in. Could you go through that for us? Yes. Okay. And so number one, we talked about the manipulator, the client, the coach, or the person who needs manipulation. They need hands-on work. They may need to see a doctor, physical therapy, a manual therapist. That's the bucket that I don't want our coaches diving into. We want to have relationships with people who do that part. We want to work together. And it's what we call bridging the gap. You do your job. I do my job. I do every job. Okay. And so we don't want that. Do any of your coaches, clients, clinicians, that's all the same people, are they competent in this? Well, we do have some coaches who are competent in it. And they are the one-stop shop. And so if you are a clinician, well, don't you want to become the one-stop shop? If you look at Charlie, he can do the hands-on work and he can do the strength work. And this is what we don't want you just to be someone who does the mobilizations, but yet you have people using TheraBand and stuff like that. That's not it. Become the one-stop means you're well-versed and you understand the strength component that we use at our DSP. And also number two would be just direction, exercise specific. And that would be the client, okay, we don't need any mobilization here. We don't need any hands-on therapy here. Well, we're going to get them to the DSP coach or the strength coach. And it's just going to, we're going to use proper training techniques and understanding the body, regional interdependence to train this person, avoid the painful areas, which we always talk about. Because again, just training in the presence of pain, there's not an issue there. In fact, if you do that, you're more likely to get out of pain a lot faster if you just avoid those painful movements. Okay. I think most people, when they get pain anywhere, it's like, okay, well, I don't do exercise anywhere. I'm just stop, I'm done. And I think that's not a thing. That's the exact opposite of what we want from them. Okay. And so number three would be our stabilization category. Someone who's just maybe either just all around, just weak. It could be maybe trunk-related or there could be some things going on that we don't understand there. And there are people for that. And then lastly, would be persistent pain category. And that's what we talked about. Maybe that's more of the physiological, psychological difficulty of a client. And that's where we would turn to someone like yourself, a muscle coach who knows there's something deeper that I can't do. And so I'm going to always say, okay, go see coach Fox. So I think there's a job for everybody within it. The problem is everybody's trying to do it all. And they're not qualified to do that. And so I just want coaches to understand, you play your part. This person plays their part and it's all for the good of the client. I think that there is the opportunity for the educated clinician to actually master all four of those buckets. I think so as well. I think so. Now, obviously the mobilization part, they don't have to go to PT school. That's a little, that's an eight-year process. Most people say they don't need that long, but I'm just honoring the people who put the work in and I would never undercut what they've done in school and what they've learned because they're really sharp. I think they'll also tell you it's not what it's all cracked out to be. And it may in fact be the least important piece of the four that we've mentioned, which I'm not here to undermine what they do because they're very special people. But this is why we have foam rollers and all of these mobile shotguns and stuff. And that's kind of where that comes into play. Well, it's interesting. I think you were very kind, but you said it was that some of the traditional education may be the least important piece of this. I mean, I think we can look at that and say, look, there have been people getting hurt and healers helping them get out of pain for millennia. Okay. So we know that therefore you don't necessarily have to have this deep knowledge of the viscera and that you can still help people get out of pain. Is it great to have that knowledge? Yeah, I think it is. I like facts. My left brain eats that up and that's wonderful. It is really, though, the next frontier you touched on, Dr. Ryan Chow's touching on it is the non-physical piece of it. How do we impact and influence in a positive way our clients using non-physical techniques? Oh, man, that's next level. That's what I'm excited about. And that's the piece I'm excited about. I'm excited about you and what you do just because I know it's a powerful piece to the entire puzzle because there are some people who are going to be in persistent pain and maybe exercise doesn't do it. And so what's the next step? Well, the mental piece. I'll give you some little stories on that. Gosh, I've worked with athletes and it could be on the field via Zoom calls. And it's really interesting. They will come to me overtly with an emotional issue, mental issue. And again, the verbiage is not that important. It's just a non-physical issue. They don't feel good. And we'll work on the memory that's being triggered. And they will start to have a better psychological stance. We'll leave it at that. Then they'll say, oh, wow, gosh, that pain that I had in my shoulder or my gut or wherever it was, it's not as intense or sometimes it's gone. And you can see I'm wearing my cranium flag here. It's really great when we'll have somebody who's under extreme psychological stress because of the war and they'll say, yeah, my back is killing me. And then we'll go through a tapping session in a group, not even really addressing their specific issue, but the process really hits some people really well. And they'll say, my back pain is gone or it's diminished or it's down by 50%, some double digit number, which is really telling, right? If your coaches can start to appreciate and I'll say master, because I think they can, these types of techniques. Wow. Now you've got somebody who understands the body from a classic education perspective. You've got somebody who's an expert in the kettlebell, which we've defined as this great best practice out there. They might know how to do some mobilization work, hands-on stuff. If you're, again, a Doc Davis or Mike Davis or a Charlie Weingraf and other people out there as well. And then you throw in some stabilization work and man, the non-physical piece, that's called a healer right there. That's somebody who's going to walk into their place and you're going to walk out feeling fabulous. Exactly. And where's that found at? Even Charlie is where he's at. He knows there's a step, like I said, with the mental piece that he doesn't in that he'll send people away. He doesn't try to cross boundaries and do more than he can do. And that's the key is to have everybody understand. First of all, I'm one piece, Charlie's one piece, you're one piece, Doc Davis' one piece. So the more we can do to teach all our coaches the role and how each interplays with each other, I think it's just going to make everybody much better as coaches moving along. No one says you have to be, again, you don't have to master the mobility part, but I think the last three quick pieces that we talked about are really important. And another guy that I would like, Dr. Perry gets into the lymphatic system. I mean, that's huge. And he's another guy who just blows my mind. Just listen to him talk. I hosted a workshop back in 2008 and it was just unbelievable. And so I'm always trying to learn more. I'm also trying to make sure our coaches are equipped. We're just one piece of the puzzle. That's great. That's very humble. And that's a great outlook, trying to make things better. And we know that there's a need for it. I hope that any traditional sport coach listening will want to broaden themselves to use a metric that goes beyond how much they can do. How many championships am I winning? How many successes do I have in the typical metrics of a game? And I say that because that's all relative. And if you're playing against competition that is beneath you and you win, who cares? I mean, all of these metrics really are just part of somebody else's construct. The question is going to really be, what's in your heart? Do you want to be the best at helping people, if that's what your calling is? Hey, dive into what Darius is talking about. Dive into the stuff that I'm doing and some others as well. And what it really feels like is, as a consumer at all levels, is to connect yourself with an ecosystem of people who have this lifelong learning desire and are just well-connected, have tried, made a lot of mistakes, figuring out this stuff, rinse, repeat. Yes, yes. And I think that's important is that with what we have right now, we have a fantastic group, a great following, and they want to learn more. They don't want to stop. They want to teach me the next remedy. Introduce me to Scott Fox. Introduce me to Charlie Weintraub. Introduce me to Mike Basie. They know they want to continue to grow. And I want to make sure I provide them opportunities to learn from the people who I've learned from and just know what I know. Again, I'm a strength guy. I've trained a ton of people and I've done some amazing work, but no way do I consider myself to be the pinnacle of this industry that we're in right now. And so, hey, I'm still learning. I always want to continue to learn and be around you as much as possible and learn what you know, because I know I'm not. I'm just one piece and I want to continue to learn. And I think we have some coaches right now who are just like me, who are like, hey, I want to be the best. I don't want to settle for second best. I want to be the best and I want to continue to grow. And so we have a great group of people right now. The industry is behind us, I can tell you now. People have gone through a strong first and gone through an RKC. Those workshops and certifications have been the same since 1999, since we've taken them. And as we know, information changes on a daily, research comes in daily. And so I like to say our certification, our learning process is fluid, like Stephen A. would say, is that it's growing, it's evolving. And this is the reason why you always want to come back to one of our courses, because it's never the same. It's never going to be the same. And so that's what I think separates the DSCCC from everything else. We're just getting started. It's a fluid course. We're always adding great information to it. And so if you want to continue to grow as a course and make an impact in this world, I think we're the perfect solution for any coach. That's super. I know that from a business perspective, people will say it. So even from a coaching perspective in traditional sports, hey, it's really great to think you've got a one-size-fits-all and distribute it as such, whether it's on the field, in the weight room, or anywhere. And man, I just cringe at that. Too many times. Yeah, I cringe, because at best you're going to have a bell curve reaction to that. Exactly. And we've got to do better than that. And I think that it's great to hang out with people that are lifelong learners and humble. And I just want to put a plug in for University of Maryland baseball program. I went to a presentation that they did, and they are looking at their players as individuals from a physical assessment standpoint. I know that sounds so basic to us, but you know what? That doesn't happen in major college baseball or any sports. There's a lot of, hey, we're winning championships, or we're winning, and we don't need to do something new. We've got it. Like, really? Yeah. Yeah. Hats off. You watch everybody. Here's my prediction. Watch the University of Maryland baseball program over this year and in the next couple of years. They'll be in the College World Series. No doubt. No doubt. I tell you what, we work with one of our athletes who plays lacrosse at the University of Maryland. And just him describing what they're doing in the strength and conditioning, I mean, those guys are wired up. They're getting all kinds of data from these kids. I mean, they basically can tell when somebody's not hustling. I mean, just the University of Maryland is on fire right now. And I have no doubt that their baseball team will be in the College World Series real soon. Within the next two to three years, they should be, just from what I'm seeing, what they're doing with the football, the lacrosse, and now here what they're doing with the baseball team. Because, again, we know something. We have some kids in some top-level programs that are nowhere near what Maryland is doing. That's interesting. Good job, Maryland. Good job. Well, Darius, it's always a pleasure talking with you. And we could do a five-hour podcast. We're not going to do that. Listeners, though. People, they'll definitely want to dive deeper. How can they get a hold of you? How can they see what you're doing? Well, I'm not a big social media guy. You can find me at CoachDarius on Instagram. It's just Coach underscore Darius on Instagram. In my email, if you want to email me, have any questions about any of our upcoming workshops or upcoming certifications, you can email me at DariusG65 at gmail.com. We have, in fact, I'm teaching a DSC level one in Wilmington, North Carolina. What's so cool about this, I have to put this plug in there. What's so cool about this is that we're taking the whole team out to dinner, and the dinner will be held at one of my former athletes, Orson Barnes, O'Connor McMahon. And so it's just like, this is full circle. I'm teaching a course in Wilmington, and we're having dinner at one of my athletes' place. And man, Coach Bloss, I'm with you around. You can come and hang with me. Just got a fantastic group of coaches coming. And so, yeah, it's Coach Darius. You can email me, and I'll be willing to answer any questions you have about anything that we do. That's fabulous. All right, folks, I hope you enjoyed Darius. I always do. There's so much he's got inside of him to share. And again, if you're an athlete, a parent, a clinician, anybody who's curious about how to really get some best practices and to be part of an ecosystem of coaches and brilliant people, frankly, that are out in the world that you're not going to know otherwise, probably, reach out to Darius, or reach out to me, and we'll have a conversation, and you'll be part of it. It's that simple. It's all about a phone call, right? Yes, that's all it is. That's all it is. We love to talk. And so, Coach, I want to thank you again for giving me this opportunity to be on your platform. You know, I just always, you know, when people talk about DSP, I always say, you just got Coach Bloss. I owe a lot to him. Back when we became friends back in 2012, and he's helped me so, so, so much. And I'm just forever grateful to have you as a friend. And man, I'm glad we get a chance to make an impact on the world together. So thank you, Coach. Exactly. Thank you.